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    This will mark the first time where I've seen someone try to shield actual medical practice behind "Pastoral Counseling ." Typically I see it with people who are doing something that may or may not get too close to the lines where one should be an MFT.

    But no one is ever going to criticize a priest for counseling a couple who belongs to that church and is experiencing some sort of issue. The danger comes in when the clergy person isn't operating out of a church and, even more curious, when they are offering their services to the general public.

    That last bit is key, I think. If I go to St. Francis Church regularly and form a pastoral relationship with Fr. Doe, then I may go to Fr. Doe for advice or a friendly ear when I have work, marriage or spiritual trouble. No problems.

    But if Mr. Doe rents out an office in a medical complex, outfits it like a medical office and hangs out a shingle offering "pastoral counseling " then I think that's something that shouldn't be allowed. Presently, there are few laws against it as "pastoral counseling " itself isn't regulated.

    As for this guy...

    I'd say that the least dangerous part about him is that he's claiming to be a pastoral counselor. He seems to be providing actual medical services to people and taking their money.

    I think we can sit around and debate the morality and societal impact of a guy whose "pastoral counseling " appears to be limited to appending letters to the end of his name. This isn't one of those "eh, but what's the harm?" situations. This is a guy who could kill someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus
    This is a guy who could kill someone.
    Couldn't agree more. Frequently, people of this ilk harbor delusions of false competence; I'm pretty sure many of them don't even realize the harm they are capable of - not that there's any excuse, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Couldn't agree more. Frequently, people of this ilk harbor delusions of false competence; I'm pretty sure many of them don't even realize the harm they are capable of - not that there's any excuse, of course.

    J.
    It is, unfortunately, something I've noticed among a fair number of CAM providers even if they have training from accredited institutions. Chiropractors have paralyzed people and allowed children to needlessly suffer from conditions like asthma that they try, unsuccessfully, to treat with spinal manipulation. (Licensed) Naturopaths have convinced people to forego chemo in favor of vegan diets and Vitamin C injections.

    On the one hand, naturopath licensing would have put this guy out of business or, at a minimum, forced him to pick a different word. On the other hand, there is plenty of quakery that has been endorsed by the state by granting it a license and allowing those people to "treat" conditions with unproven, ineffective and sometimes dangerous treatment modalities.

    So, I guess I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't be legally permitted to "play doctor" as a non-MD/DO even if your school is accredited. We have a word for alternative medicine that works; medicine.
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