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    On the one hand, Chelgren is a fraud who deserves the bad press he's getting. (Just like Elizabeth Warren did for being just as BSsy.)

    On the other hand, not just in this article but a few others I've seen, the tone taken by most people who are making fun of Chelgren spills over into a clear disdain for working class jobs in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    On the one hand, Chelgren is a fraud who deserves the bad press he's getting. (Just like Elizabeth Warren did for being just as BSsy.)

    On the other hand, not just in this article but a few others I've seen, the tone taken by most people who are making fun of Chelgren spills over into a clear disdain for working class jobs in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    What is a Bssy? Just curious. Hell, I just found out what a SJW stands for.
    Having difficulty determining whether BSsy is short for Bachelor of Science or bullshit.
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    BS-sy. I thought it would be better to use than "bullshitty", but live and learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    On the one hand, Chelgren is a fraud who deserves the bad press he's getting. (Just like Elizabeth Warren did for being just as BSsy.)

    I assume you're referring to the Native American thing. I'm not a huge Elizabeth Warren fan. As someone who routinely deals with Affirmative Action reporting, I'd say the two things aren't really on the same level.

    For starters, ethnic/racial identification is based on self-identification. If you identify only as African American, despite the fact that you have a non-African American parent, no one is going to have a problem with it. As a matter of fact, no one is going to have a problem with whatever you put no matter how objectively untrue it actually is. Nor is there any standard by which you cannot self-identify. I'm pretty sure I have around 1/10 Norwegian ancestry. There's nothing that says I can't be proud of my Norwegian heritage, however slight.

    An anecdotal reason as to why that is all a good thing would be a sibling couple I knew in high school. Bother had the same biological parents; an Irish-American father and a first generation Cuban-American mother. The boy looked remarkably like his father. The girl had a skin tone closer to her mother's (light brown). Both had exactly the same right to claim Hispanic heritage. The difference was that the boy, with blazing red hair and freckles, was the one who got called out on it.

    Elizabeth Warren doesn't appear to have pulled the Native American thing out of thin air. A genealogist traced the lineage and gave her the information which happens to jive with family lore. Maybe it's inaccurate. Maybe it's 100% true. But it isn't a lie.

    This guy, on the other hand, lied about having a business degree. It also looks like he modified the name of the company providing the training to sound more like a university.

    On the other hand, not just in this article but a few others I've seen, the tone taken by most people who are making fun of Chelgren spills over into a clear disdain for working class jobs in general.
    This, to me, is the bigger issue. I have a B.S. in Business Admin and an M.S. in Management. And yet I don't think if you dropped me into a restaurant and told me to manage it I'd be able to pull it off. Academic learning is great. And it helps provide a useful basis for industry specific learning. But the fact of the matter is that Chelgren can probably run a restaurant, at least at the tier of Sizzler (Applebees et al), very competently.

    That should be OK. There is nothing wrong with managing a Sizzler. And if you manage a Sizzler, especially if you do your job well, you should take pride. That's good honest work no different from HR , accounting , marketing , engineering , welding , IT etc.

    Had this guy said "I don't have a bachelors degree. I have an associates. I have some industry specific training for the hospitality industry. And I took some coursework at a respected four year institution but just never finished the degree" I would respect that answer. We all should respect that answer. There's nothing wrong with that answer.

    There is an elitism that, unfortunately, has pervaded our schools and our society as a whole. Kids are told that the trades are for people too stupid to go to college (not true). Or that a smart person who doesn't go to college is wasting their potential (not necessarily true).

    I feel like if we could get past that level of disrespect we could achieve great things. I'm not sure if its a symptom of this nation's divide or if its actually the disease itself. But we have college educated individuals mocking the blue collar workers and we see blue collar workers writing off all college as liberal brainwashing factories. Neither attitude is conducive to meaningful discussion or debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    I assume you're referring to the Native American thing. I'm not a huge Elizabeth Warren fan. As someone who routinely deals with Affirmative Action reporting, I'd say the two things aren't really on the same level.
    I'd agree, except that she benefited the positive attention she got from claiming to be a diversity hire. That's when things go from "harmlessly quirky" to "dishonest".
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    Quote Originally Posted by neuhaus View Post
    i assume you're referring to the native american thing. I'm not a huge elizabeth warren fan. As someone who routinely deals with affirmative action reporting, i'd say the two things aren't really on the same level.

    For starters, ethnic/racial identification is based on self-identification. If you identify only as african american, despite the fact that you have a non-african american parent, no one is going to have a problem with it. As a matter of fact, no one is going to have a problem with whatever you put no matter how objectively untrue it actually is. Nor is there any standard by which you cannot self-identify. I'm pretty sure i have around 1/10 norwegian ancestry. There's nothing that says i can't be proud of my norwegian heritage, however slight.

    An anecdotal reason as to why that is all a good thing would be a sibling couple i knew in high school. Bother had the same biological parents; an irish-american father and a first generation cuban-american mother. The boy looked remarkably like his father. The girl had a skin tone closer to her mother's (light brown). Both had exactly the same right to claim hispanic heritage. The difference was that the boy, with blazing red hair and freckles, was the one who got called out on it.

    Elizabeth warren doesn't appear to have pulled the native american thing out of thin air. A genealogist traced the lineage and gave her the information which happens to jive with family lore. Maybe it's inaccurate. Maybe it's 100% true. But it isn't a lie.

    This guy, on the other hand, lied about having a business degree. It also looks like he modified the name of the company providing the training to sound more like a university.



    This, to me, is the bigger issue. I have a b.s. In business admin and an m.s. In management. And yet i don't think if you dropped me into a restaurant and told me to manage it i'd be able to pull it off. Academic learning is great. And it helps provide a useful basis for industry specific learning. But the fact of the matter is that chelgren can probably run a restaurant, at least at the tier of sizzler (applebees et al), very competently.

    That should be ok. There is nothing wrong with managing a sizzler. And if you manage a sizzler, especially if you do your job well, you should take pride. That's good honest work no different from hr , accounting , marketing , engineering , welding , it etc.

    Had this guy said "i don't have a bachelors degree. I have an associates. I have some industry specific training for the hospitality industry. And i took some coursework at a respected four year institution but just never finished the degree" i would respect that answer. We all should respect that answer. There's nothing wrong with that answer.

    There is an elitism that, unfortunately, has pervaded our schools and our society as a whole. Kids are told that the trades are for people too stupid to go to college (not true). Or that a smart person who doesn't go to college is wasting their potential (not necessarily true).

    I feel like if we could get past that level of disrespect we could achieve great things. I'm not sure if its a symptom of this nation's divide or if its actually the disease itself. But we have college educated individuals mocking the blue collar workers and we see blue collar workers writing off all college as liberal brainwashing factories. Neither attitude is conducive to meaningful discussion or debate.
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