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    Credibility of DEAC

    Is DEAC really a viable, impartial and credible accreditating agency comparable to regionally accreditation agencies, as they claim? In short, are their accrediting standards and investigation of student complaints regarding schools under their aegis substantive and impartial?

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    For most people, the crucial thing is whether the degrees and credits will be accepted by RA schools, and in the workplace. It is amazing to me (who has been writing about this stuff for 40 years) that, to the best of my knowledge, we don't have a clear answer. In the year 2000, fed up with not knowing, I conducted the first-ever study of acceptance, asking the registrars of hundreds of RA schools whether they accepted credits and degrees from DEAC (it was DETC then) schools always, usually, sometimes, rarely, or never. The results then were about 40% always-usually, 40% rarely-never, and the rest in between. But that was 16 years ago. Things presumably have changed, but (to the best of my knowledge) we don't know. It would be so easy to replicate, or, better still, expand and improve my study, and Jan's very reasonable question could be answered confidently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan View Post
    Is DEAC really a viable, impartial and credible accreditating agency comparable to regionally accreditation agencies, as they claim? In short, are their accrediting standards and investigation of student complaints regarding schools under their aegis substantive and impartial?
    When looking at schools I hardly ever worry if they will take my NA degree from a Deac school. I think I have had a few out of dozens say no, and one of those after pressure changed their minds.

    At one point I thought I would never be able to go to a better school but that has not been the case. I am at Liberty because of the block tuition and the quality, but lack of mobility was not even in the mix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b4cz28 View Post
    lack of mobility was not even in the mix.
    I would have to agree. I received a BSBA from Aspen University and havent had an issue moving to a (RA) MBA and I am currently in a (RA) DBA program.

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    Progress Toward Complete Acceptance

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    I would have to agree. I received a BSBA from Aspen University and havent had an issue moving to a (RA) MBA and I am currently in a (RA) DBA program.
    I can also relate with my experiences about this. I think that DEAC (NA) accreditation is being accepted more and more. Progress is slow but sure which I think will result in eventual perceptional equality with RA accreditation.
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    DEAC is recognized by both the U.S. Department of Education and CHEA. Acceptance by employers and RA schools are on a case by case basis. Some RA schools will not accept some or even any from other RA schools. If you are concerned that an RA school will not accept a DEAC degree for admission to a graduate program, check with schools you are thinking about.
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    As noted in my original post, my question regarding the viability and credibility of DEAC extended beyond the acceptability of credits from this accrediting agency by RA schools, but whether they take complaints regarding their schools seriously and are impartial in doing so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan View Post
    As noted in my original post, my question regarding the viability and credibility of DEAC extended beyond the acceptability of credits from this accrediting agency by RA schools, but whether they take complaints regarding their schools seriously and are impartial in doing so?

    You asked if DEAC is comparable to RAs in terms of credibility. How credible do you see the RAs as being?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan View Post
    Is DEAC really a viable, impartial and credible accreditating agency comparable to regionally accreditation agencies, as they claim? In short, are their accrediting standards and investigation of student complaints regarding schools under their aegis substantive and impartial?
    DEAC enjoys the same level of recognition that USDOE and CHEA offers to the regional accrediting agencies. I believe that includes their standards for student complaints. From a policy perspective, DEAC appears to be credible, viable and impartial.

    It also appears that it has no issues with putting its schools on notice (and removing accreditation) when standards are not being met. Sometimes, schools voluntarily withdraw accreditation when no longer meeting DEAC standards instead of having it revoked.

    There is anecdotal evidence that DEAC accreditation has improved its credibility profile among regionally accredited universities, and I count myself among those that can offer such evidence.

    DEAC is led by a nationally-respected administrator that evidently has tightened the standards and policies, further adding to the credibility of DEAC.

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    I don't think DEAC is an issue with most commercial employers. I can see some positions looking for specific program acceptance but more than likely it's all about name recognition. I suspect most HR departments lump all the schools without name recognition together (and check the box).

    Now all that goes out the window with education related jobs, high public profile positions, and perhaps a few other jobs. That said I have seen a few executive profiles with degrees from U of P - think I would put an Aspen degree ahead of that

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    [QUOTE=freddyboy;497198]"DEAC enjoys the same level of recognition that USDOE and CHEA offers to the regional accrediting agencies. I believe that includes their standards for student complaints. From a policy perspective, DEAC appears to be credible, viable and impartial."

    From a policy perspective, I agree.

    "It also appears that it has no issues with putting its schools on notice (and removing accreditation) when standards are not being met."

    Freddy boy, I too have observed DEAC putting certain schools on notice and removing accreditation. However, I have also heard that they have concluded certain complaints in a cursory manner in favor of the school without explaining their rationale for doing so, clearly with specifics to the plantiff.

    "Sometimes, schools voluntarily withdraw accreditation when no longer meeting DEAC standards instead of having it revoked."

    Yes.

    "There is anecdotal evidence that DEAC accreditation has improved its credibility profile among regionally accredited universities, and I count myself among those that can offer such evidence."

    Yes, anecdotally, but as John Bear originally stated, it is currently uncertain whether credits from DEAC schools are more acceptable than they were in 2000 when Dr. Bear conducted a study pertaining to this matter.

    "DEAC is led by a nationally-respected administrator that evidently has tightened the standards and policies, further adding to the credibility of DEAC."

    Could be, but I would like to see if this actually translates into significantly greater acceptance by RA schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddyboy View Post
    "DEAC enjoys the same level of recognition that USDOE and CHEA offers to the regional accrediting agencies. I believe that includes their standards for student complaints. From a policy perspective, DEAC appears to be credible, viable and impartial."

    From a policy perspective, I agree.

    "It also appears that it has no issues with putting its schools on notice (and removing accreditation) when standards are not being met."

    Freddy boy, I too have observed DEAC putting certain schools on notice and removing accreditation. However, I have also heard that they have concluded certain complaints in a cursory manner in favor of the school without explaining their rationale for doing so, clearly with specifics to the plantiff.

    "Sometimes, schools voluntarily withdraw accreditation when no longer meeting DEAC standards instead of having it revoked."

    Yes.

    "There is anecdotal evidence that DEAC accreditation has improved its credibility profile among regionally accredited universities, and I count myself among those that can offer such evidence."

    Yes, anecdotally, but as John Bear originally stated, it is currently uncertain whether credits from DEAC schools are more acceptable than they were in 2000 when Dr. Bear conducted a study pertaining to this matter.

    "DEAC is led by a nationally-respected administrator that evidently has tightened the standards and policies, further adding to the credibility of DEAC."

    Could be, but I would like to see if this actually translates into significantly greater acceptance by RA schools.
    Hi Jan:
    I don't think my response posted, so I will try again.
    If what you say is true regarding DEAC not following its own robust policies on student complaints, that is certainly an issue. It's my understanding that unresolved student complaints make their way to the state education agencies, and eventually to USDOE and/or CHEA. The favorable position that DEAC holds both at the state and federal levels would indicate that it has a significant level of compliance in this area of concern. In other words, it's possible that DEAC and the regional agencies perform cursory student complaint reviews at similar rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan View Post

    Hi Jan:
    I don't think my response posted, so I will try again.
    If what you say is true regarding DEAC not following its own robust policies on student complaints, that is certainly an issue. It's my understanding that unresolved student complaints make their way to the state education agencies, and eventually to USDOE and/or CHEA. The favorable position that DEAC holds both at the state and federal levels would indicate that it has a significant level of compliance in this area of concern. In other words, it's possible that DEAC and the regional agencies perform cursory student complaint reviews at similar rates.

    Here's what Columbia Southern has to say: Registering a Complaint

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    ABET usually accredited the Engineering and Engineering Technology programs, especially on a Bachelor level only at RA Universities.
    This is no longer the case, ABET has accredited Engineering Technology program at DEAC accredited Grantham University .

    I think this is interesting development, especially if the graduate of the program resides in a sate such as New Mexico.
    In New Mexico Engineering Technology graduates can become licensed as Professional Engineers .
    DEAC accredited Grantham University graduate from ABET accredited program can take FE/EIT exam.
    There are other states as well.
    This degree will also satisfy UK EngC Academic requirements for registration as Incorporated Engineer etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lerner View Post
    ABET usually accredited the Engineering and Engineering Technology programs, especially on a Bachelor level only at RA Universities.
    This is no longer the case, ABET has accredited Engineering Technology program at DEAC accredited Grantham University .

    I think this is interesting development, especially if the graduate of the program resides in a sate such as New Mexico.
    In New Mexico Engineering Technology graduates can become licensed as Professional Engineers .
    DEAC accredited Grantham University graduate from ABET accredited program can take FE/EIT exam.
    There are other states as well.
    This degree will also satisfy UK EngC Academic requirements for registration as Incorporated Engineer etc etc.

    More interesting if APUS gets ABET.

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    [QUOTE=freddyboy;497206][QUOTE=Jan;497202]

    "Hi Jan:
    I don't think my response posted, so I will try again.
    If what you say is true regarding DEAC not following its own robust policies on student complaints, that is certainly an issue."

    Hi Freddyboy,

    I'm not saying that DEAC is generally not abiding by its policies regarding student complaints. However, I have heard that in certain instances their response to students' complaints appear to be superficial, lacking in specifically delineated reasons for their ruling, indicating why the school in question was not in the wrong or was in conformance with DEAC policies. In short, at times, it seems like a bureaucratic process, rather than initiating a more in depth investigation, including speaking with the student bringing the complaint, other than going by a written complaint from the student, to conclude their findings.

    "It's my understanding that unresolved student complaints make their way to the state education agencies, and eventually to USDOE and/or CHEA. The favorable position that DEAC holds both at the state and federal levels would indicate that it has a significant level of compliance in this area of concern. In other words, it's possible that DEAC and the regional agencies perform cursory student complaint reviews at similar rates."

    Could be but leads to questions regarding whether at times they give more weight to the defensive responses they receive from the schools being charged with a complaint than to the plantiff.

    Have a healthy and happy new year. Jan

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