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    Law School in trouble

    “The ABA repeatedly found that the Charlotte School of Law does not prepare students for participation in the legal profession."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    “The ABA repeatedly found that the Charlotte School of Law does not prepare students for participation in the legal profession."

    Charlotte School of Law students express anger at school, circulate petition for free tuition
    "We think the education stinks, so we want it for free".

    Interesting strategy for those looking to enter a profession where passing a licensing exam means everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    “The ABA repeatedly found that the Charlotte School of Law does not prepare students for participation in the legal profession."

    Charlotte School of Law students express anger at school, circulate petition for free tuition
    We have a close friend that is a professor, things are NOT good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookderosa View Post
    We have a close friend that is a professor, things are NOT good.
    Without mentioning names, can you share some specifics? I'm just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    "We think the education stinks, so we want it for free".
    It makes sense. If the education doesn't really prepare students for the exam, why are the students paying so much for the education ?

    I can even imagine the ABA or state bars making continued accreditation or law schools' recognition for admission to the bar dependent on low-performing schools reducing their tuition by some significant percentage. From the student's perspective, it would mean that what students pay would better correlate with the educations they receive. For schools, it would create a huge incentive to improve their pass-rates. The worst schools would probably just close.

    Law has an advantage that many other subjects don't, in that its graduates typically take standard exams after graduation. That makes it possible to compare and grade schools not only on inputs like admission test scores, funding and administration (the US News-type variables), but on educational effectiveness as well.
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    A for-profit law school having trouble in a state where Duke Law, UNC Law, WF Law, and even Elon Law are located...?!?!

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    On a lighter note, this quote from the recent article is somewhat comforting for recent and soon-to-be grads:

    About 100 students are set to graduate on Saturday. The school has notified them that absent the federal funds, they may pay their outstanding tuition with private loans the school is providing at zero interest and payable over 10 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    Law has an advantage that many other subjects don't, in that its graduates typically take standard exams after graduation. That makes it possible to compare and grade schools not only on inputs like admission test scores, funding and administration (the US News-type variables), but on educational effectiveness as well.
    In that regard it's interesting that we don't here more about passing rates for people with PhD/PsyD in Psychology . They all have to take licensing exams, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomE View Post
    A for-profit law school having trouble in a state where Duke Law, UNC Law, WF Law, and even Elon Law are located...?!?!

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    On a lighter note, this quote from the recent article is somewhat comforting for recent and soon-to-be grads:
    You forgot NCCU Law and Campbell Law.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tireman 44444 View Post
    You forgot NCCU Law and Campbell Law.....
    Well....no

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    Law school isn't really meant to prepare you for the bar exam. If I had to guess I would say 85-90% of bar passer have taken a bar review course. School is meant to prepare you for the practice of law. The research, writing, litigation, etc....You will be familiar with some of the subjects that you're being tested on but rarely enough to pass by itself. The best thing it does is get you used to testing. Bar passage rate is more of a reflection upon the students they have taken in instead of the program itself. A student that was accepted to Duke Law but decided to go to NCCU doesn't really decrease their bar passage chance much if at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    In that regard it's interesting that we don't here more about passing rates for people with PhD/PsyD in Psychology. They all have to take licensing exams, no?
    But the ABA sets bar passage as an accreditation standard. If your bar passage rate falls below a certain threshold you can lose ABA accreditation. Aside from the fact that I don't know if the APA imposes such a standard (I would doubt it since there are a good many PhD/PsyD grads who take on work post-graduation that doesn't even require a license) there are many programs that don't have the programmatic accreditation.

    In some countries, law school grads might never practice law. That LLB can act like a business degree. In the U.S., you're investing major money into a JD as well as 7 total years of study. We certainly have a fair number of law school grads not practicing law. But the sense I get is that, absent working as a Managing Director at a place like Goldman, it's not exactly viewed as the preferred career trajectory.

    But with a PhD/PsyD you may very well become an I/O Psychologist and achieve all of your career goals without needing a license. You might likewise find yourself a home in academia, again, no license necessary. Even a good number of clinical positions in the public sector don't require a license. I just encountered a job posting the other day for an "Associate Psychologist " with a state agency. Masters required, PhD/PsyD preferred, two years of clinical work (internships acceptable) required. No license necessary. $98k.

    It's very possible that you can have a career as a psychologist without ever being licensed. But it isn't really possible to have a career as a lawyer without being admitted to the bar. You might have a successful career in banking, finance, insurance or any number of fields. But you'll be a finance professional with a law degree rather than actually working as a lawyer. Not the same situation with psychology .
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    yahyah. Some of that may be true but you would think that schools with good records would want to use it just as a marketing tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomE View Post
    Well....no
    Well, if you were going on law schools in North Carolina.....North Carolina Central University Law School is in Durham, North Carolina and Campbell Law School is in Buies Creek, North Carolina. I thought that is what you were referring to.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tireman 44444 View Post
    Well, if you were going on law schools in North Carolina.....North Carolina Central University Law School is in Durham, North Carolina and Campbell Law School is in Buies Creek, North Carolina. I thought that is what you were referring to.....
    Actually Campbell U has moved its law school to Raleigh. Not trying to nitpick

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    You are correct sir. Sorry. They moved after I left in 1998
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