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    Trying to shut down ACICS? Repercussions?

    Fed trying to shut down ACICS?

    Federal government shuts down controversial college watchdog - MarketWatch

    What are the repercussions? Are there many schools SOLELY accredited by ACICS?
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    Mmmm. I've mostly stopped paying attention to this but if I remember correctly, they are not trying to shut it down, it is a done deal. It is shut down. In any case, you can see the status of the conversation to date

    Dept. of Ed axes ACICS

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    It's a done deal but for the lawsuits, which means it's dangerous to assume it's a done deal at all, particularly given the change of administration. Still, it's hardly good news for the many school solely accredited by ACICS.

    If ACICS really does die, some of the schools they accredit will find a different accreditor (the smart ones are looking already), and the rest will lose accreditation and die very shortly thereafter.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but the death is as a result of being disavowed by CHEA, no? If so then I suppose they could exist on their own but then it would seem to quickly become an episode of the stupid TV show "Naked and Afraid." Once separated from CHEA people would (rightly) want to know, "What is the value of this accreditation?" Answer: probably not worth the cost.
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    Naturally, consider the source (ACICS itself);

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    So it seems there is a small ray of hope for those interested in ACICS' continued life. I suppose that's a good thing because if they do somehow survive I'm sure it will be in some transformed/improved state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by instant000 View Post
    Are there many schools SOLELY accredited by ACICS?
    If memory serves, ACICS accredited about 900 schools, counting individual campuses of multi-branch chains. I'm thinking that almost all of them would have no other institutional accreditation besides ACICS. It's the exception, rather than the rule, for NA or RA schools to have more than one institutional accreditor. Many may have additional program accreditation for specific occupations - but that kind of accreditation does not cover the school itself.

    I'm betting that a couple of other National accreditors will have to put extra people on the phones. They'll have all the applications they can deal with, plus. It'll be an ongoing "Accreditation Black Friday" event!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Naturally, consider the source (ACICS itself);

    ACICS Status Update

    When I click on that link, it shows an image of someone who is deep in contemplation on what the loss of accreditation means for his studies.
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    Their own status has a whole lot of spin, but still sounds desperate.

    From what I read, a student attempting to enroll in a ACICS accredited school can't apply for financial aid. So it sounds like a done deal save for a desperate hail marry lawsuit that frankly would never play out well to an actual jury. Sounds like they are hoping to pressure the government with this to squeak out another 12mo to funnel money into their pockets before then end finally comes

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    So far, ACICS has lost all of its appeals. A group of a dozen attorneys general called upon the US Dept. of Ed to decertify ACICS as a recognized accrediting agency. NACIQI (the body that advises the DOE on institutional quality) came up with the same recommendation, as did the US DOE staff. John King, the Secretary of Education , announced that ACICS will, in fact, have its recognition revoked. It can remain, but without DOE recognition (and the federal funding eligibility), ACICS has nothing to keep its schools. It does not have a lot of friends fighting for it at this point in time. ACICS accredits about 245 different schools with about 800 different locations. If the DOE's decision stands, all of these institutions will have 18 months to become accredited with a different agency. There are a number of national agencies, but some can only accredit certain types of schools (e.g. ABHES for allied health schools). TRACS will only accredit Christian schools and DEAC can only accredit DE schools. Some of the NA accrediting bodies are only recognized at the diploma, certificate and associate level. For a non-religious, non DE school that offers degrees above the associate's in different disciplines, the only viable NA choice is ACCSC. ACCSC is smaller than ACICS and is probably getting a huge share of applications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Piña
    ACCSC is smaller than ACICS and is probably getting a huge share of applications
    Dr. Piña is always right. And for at least once, I was right, too. I wrote a while back that ACCSC might do well to get extra people to answer their phones, in view of this situation. InsideHigherEd reports as follows:

    "Most of the colleges have begun seeking approval from the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges, a national accrediting agency. Michale McComis, the commission’s executive director, said last week that 180 ACICS-accredited institutions have formally initiated the process. He expects that number to grow to 210 colleges by the end of January."

    Wow. 200+ schools. That's a lot of new accreditations!

    Whole thing here: https://www.insidehighered.com/quick...deral-deadline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Dr. Piña is always right. And for at least once, I was right, too. I wrote a while back that ACCSC might do well to get extra people to answer their phones, in view of this situation. InsideHigherEd reports as follows:

    "Most of the colleges have begun seeking approval from the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges, a national accrediting agency. Michale McComis, the commission’s executive director, said last week that 180 ACICS-accredited institutions have formally initiated the process. He expects that number to grow to 210 colleges by the end of January."

    Wow. 200+ schools. That's a lot of new accreditations!

    Whole thing here: https://www.insidehighered.com/quick...deral-deadline

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    J. Thank you for the very generous appraisal of me. My family can certainly attest to my ability to make mistakes :-) You were right on target about ACCSC. I am not sure that it has the capacity to double its size in the next year and a half. I am aware of some allied health schools that are applying for accreditation from ABHES.

    I just returned from service on a SACSCOC onsite accreditation team. The Southern Association has not received many applications from ACICS schools.
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    The dramatic events in the evening of November 8, 2016 might conceivably have huge repurcussions regarding ACICS' future.

    My impression was always that the Obama administration was on the warpath regarding "for-profit" higher education , hoping to eliminate it entirely. But the incoming administration and its new Secretary of Education seem likely to be far more receptive to educational entrepeneurship and far less likely to be influenced by the teacher 's unions. (That certainly seems to be the case at the K-12 level.)

    So I'm guessing that ACICS' appeals might now be heard by more sympathetic ears.

    I hope so. As has already been pointed out, ACICS seems to me to have its own unique niche. Driving hundreds of valuable post-secondary schools out of business doesn't seem to me to do anybody any good.

    ACICS should be re-certified on condition that it strengthen its standards and oversight. Which after its near-death experience, I'm sure it would agree to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    The dramatic events in the evening of November 8, 2016 might conceivably have huge repurcussions regarding ACICS' future.

    My impression was always that the Obama administration was on the warpath regarding "for-profit" higher education, hoping to eliminate it entirely. But the incoming administration and its new Secretary of Education seem likely to be far more receptive to educational entrepeneurship and far less likely to be influenced by the teacher's unions. (That certainly seems to be the case at the K-12 level.)
    It does, although I've yet to see any sign that knows the first thing about higher education .

    So I'm guessing that ACICS' appeals might now be heard by more sympathetic ears.

    I hope so. As has already been pointed out, ACICS seems to me to have its own unique niche. Driving hundreds of valuable post-secondary schools out of business doesn't seem to me to do anybody any good.

    ACICS should be re-certified on condition that it strengthen its standards and oversight. Which after its near-death experience, I'm sure it would agree to do.
    There shouldn't be federal certifications of accreditors in the first place, but I know, there I go again....
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    The dramatic events in the evening of November 8, 2016 might conceivably have huge repurcussions regarding ACICS' future.

    My impression was always that the Obama administration was on the warpath regarding "for-profit" higher education , hoping to eliminate it entirely. But the incoming administration and its new Secretary of Education seem likely to be far more receptive to educational entrepeneurship and far less likely to be influenced by the teacher 's unions. (That certainly seems to be the case at the K-12 level.)

    So I'm guessing that ACICS' appeals might now be heard by more sympathetic ears.

    I hope so. As has already been pointed out, ACICS seems to me to have its own unique niche. Driving hundreds of valuable post-secondary schools out of business doesn't seem to me to do anybody any good.

    ACICS should be re-certified on condition that it strengthen its standards and oversight. Which after its near-death experience, I'm sure it would agree to do.
    ACICS's legal appeal has been denied, so its future looks bleak. I have served as an outside reviewer for a couple of schools that are applying for accreditation by other agencies. Although it appears that President Trump and Secretary DeVos will not be as anti-private sector as President Obama and Secretaries Duncan and King, I think that too much damage has been done to ACICS's reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    I hope so. As has already been pointed out, ACICS seems to me to have its own unique niche. Driving hundreds of valuable post-secondary schools out of business doesn't seem to me to do anybody any good.
    I agree. Every other NA agency has specificity of focus, even when they accredit schools that offer degrees in other fields. The ABHE and TRACS both accredit schools that offer non-religious degrees, for example, while the DEAC is obviously DL-centered.

    I think ACICS does have something to offer, provided they clean up whatever deficiencies that caused the Feds to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    ACICS should be re-certified on condition that it strengthen its standards and oversight. Which after its near-death experience, I'm sure it would agree to do.
    Provided they've cleaned up their act (see my above comments), I would agree.
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