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    Online College - India

    Recently, I came across an Indian school that calls itself "Online College".

    Does anyone know anything about this school? They claim to offer all kinds of degrees, but the whole set-up seems kind of suspicious.

    Here is their link:

    Online College Admission 2013-14

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    It seems quite sketchy, and the name not only seems like a poor attempt to appeal to English speakers from non-English speakers, it dredges up bad memories from the 1970's.

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    For starters, they are offering 10% commission for referring-a-friend. That wouldn't look too good here, except maybe for matchbook-cover schools. This site itself is not a college - if I read things right, it serves as a portal for entry to about 8 universities/colleges. The schools do not appear to be outright frauds - that's something I guess. I did not find any of the names on the UGC Fake Universities page. I checked the UGC approval records for most of the schools and on some, the UGC (University Grants Commission) appears to still be awaiting reports, info etc. Mostly private universities, one State, if I remember correctly. You can see the list of universities on the admissions page.

    If I were an Indian student, I would want to thoroughly check for myself any school I was interested in attending. I can't see how applying through such a portal (instead of directly) would benefit a prospective student in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann
    I can't see how applying through such a portal (instead of directly) would benefit a prospective student in any way.
    I still can't. Maybe for these specific schools, one has to apply through this portal. It looks to me like the portal operator gets commission on each student, so the schools likely have some kind of contract with the operator, to generate so many admissions. Maybe it's an exclusive deal.

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    My! That site is a beaut!

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    Certainly is. Vision and Mission Cell, Faculties Cell, Placement and Internship Cell. Too much talk of cells, for my liking. It's making me uncomfortable and ...apprehensive.
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    I don't see any approvals by UGC. UGC is clear on schools (even legitimate ones) can not offer BTech, MTech & PhD through distance education . Some (legitimate) schools are allowed to offer external PhD or other research degrees, but there is a legitimate path for it.
    This school - obviously, is a fake.

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    Thanks for the feedback. Everyone should be aware of such scams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msganti View Post
    I don't see any approvals by UGC. UGC is clear on schools (even legitimate ones) can not offer BTech, MTech & PhD through distance education . Some (legitimate) schools are allowed to offer external PhD or other research degrees, but there is a legitimate path for it.
    This school - obviously, is a fake.
    Msganti, I acknowledge your expertise and thank you for your clear, unequivocal statement concerning degrees that cannot be offered by Distance Education .
    You say you didn't see any approvals by UGC. I checked the site's schools (all but the last).

    Shobhit University
    The Global Open University
    Swami Vivekanand Subharti University
    Vivekanand University
    RKDF University
    V2S2 College

    None of the schools listed were on the UGC "Fake Universities" Page. Well, that's not conclusive of course, but it led me to check further. I was able to find a UGC entry for every university on the list, except for the last, V2S2, which I didn't check. Some had notes about awaiting info etc. Is their nothing in these entries, to your experienced eye, that could indicate UGC approval?

    I'm not trying to defend the indefensible here. The site (I don't believe it's an actual school) is obviously trying to pull a fast one and sell stuff that doesn't legitimately exist - and thanks for the good advice. What I'm asking is: are the schools named herein definitely fakes, unrecognized by UGC?

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    Many of the links simply redirect to the top of the page and I am hard-pressed to find anything that is really specific (names of faculty, actual courses, degree requirements) which are a few red flags. That being said, I have "navigated" some truly atrocious websites for mid-sized, public brick and mortar , American universities. Although these weren't the most esteemed institutions, I still would have expected much more from their barely functioning websites. Moral of the story, not all "bad" university websites are equal...?

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    Its near identical twin is called Himalayan University www himalayanuniversity dot com

    Himalayan U is accredited by IAO, by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbwa shenzi View Post
    Its near identical twin is called Himalayan University www himalayanuniversity dot com

    Himalayan U is accredited by IAO, by the way.
    What the devil is IAO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    What the devil is IAO?
    Oh, sorry about that. IAO, the International Accreditation Organization. Has accredited Bircham International University, West Coast University Panama, Pebble Hills University, Ballsbridge University, Axact universities like Midtown University and Kinsale University, Newton Hills University, Eton University, to mention but a few. And of course, IAO is/was the accreditor of Florida University USA, www fuusa-floridauniversityusa com
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbwa shenzi View Post
    Oh, sorry about that. IAO, the International Accreditation Organization. Has accredited Bircham International University, West Coast University Panama, Pebble Hills University, Ballsbridge University, Axact universities like Midtown University and Kinsale University, Newton Hills University, Eton University, to mention but a few. And of course, IAO is/was the accreditor of Florida University USA, www fuusa-floridauniversityusa com
    Ah, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    What the devil is IAO?
    We've had a few posts about IAO here in the mill-column, because, as mbwa shenzi points out, it has "accredited" so many "universities." Here's mine from a month ago - Aug 19, 2016, when we were discussing an apparent Axact clone, Waxen University - home of the Mme. Tussaud library?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johann
    IAO had its origin in India. An article I read said that it was shuttered around the time of the AXACT arrests. Well, maybe - the Indian website wasn't working today. This one (abroad) was working: www-dot-aiao-dash-bar-dot-org

    Another article on IAO is here: Faking Quality Control for Universities - Al-Fanar MediaAl-Fanar Media
    IAO has a Facebook page and has/had an address in Texas.
    Yes - I'm sure Himalayan University DOT COM is a bogus site, but I'd still like to know if the schools listed on "Online College" have any legitimacy. I thought they might, because they all have listings on the UGC site. Of
    course "Open College" itself is selling the impossible dream, but I'd still like to know if these schools are real - not if they're good, just real. I'm asking about these schools:

    Shobhit University
    The Global Open University
    Swami Vivekanand Subharti University
    Vivekanand University
    RKDF University
    V2S2 College


    P.S. Glad to know IAO is raking in the dough, afloat in a tub of rupees. Maybe I can get someone in Pakistan to sell me some shares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Msganti, I acknowledge your expertise and thank you for your clear, unequivocal statement concerning degrees that cannot be offered by Distance Education .
    You say you didn't see any approvals by UGC. I checked the site's schools (all but the last).

    Shobhit University
    The Global Open University
    Swami Vivekanand Subharti University
    Vivekanand University
    RKDF University
    V2S2 College

    None of the schools listed were on the UGC "Fake Universities" Page. Well, that's not conclusive of course, but it led me to check further. I was able to find a UGC entry for every university on the list, except for the last, V2S2, which I didn't check. Some had notes about awaiting info etc. Is their nothing in these entries, to your experienced eye, that could indicate UGC approval?

    I'm not trying to defend the indefensible here. The site (I don't believe it's an actual school) is obviously trying to pull a fast one and sell stuff that doesn't legitimately exist - and thanks for the good advice. What I'm asking is: are the schools named herein definitely fakes, unrecognized by UGC?

    J.
    Thanks for the nice words J.

    I am not sure about RKDF and V2S2, but the rest seem to be UGC approved.

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