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    How shady is this?

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    Maybe "Professor" Jenner can teach personal financial management to her son-in-law, Kanye West - who took to Twitter to moan about his $53 million in debt. He wanted Mark Zuckerberg to bail him out. Well, Mrs. West has a few bucks and if she won't bail her hubby out and Mr. Zuckerberg declines, perhaps an education from Kanye's mother-in-law will save his a...hem, situation.

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    This school doesn't appear to be registere with New York's Bureau of Proprietary School Supervision. Perhaps there is some sort of exemption they are exploiting. But it's absolutely a proprietary career school and has classes in New York. And the exceptions I found wouldn't possibly apply to them but hey, I'm sure they can afford lawyers if they can pay Kris Jenner.

    If they were approved to operate in New York I would give them partial credit. It's a tough state for approval and hardly a rubber stamp situation like some other states.

    In short it's so shady that mushrooms grow in its well fertilized shadows.
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    Well, they're not offering degrees, only certificates.

    Considering that, I see no problem with that other than the exorbitant tuition amount. Now, the overall background, well, that's another story entirely...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LearningAddict View Post
    Well, they're not offering degrees, only certificates.

    Considering that, I see no problem with that other than the exorbitant tuition amount. Now, the overall background, well, that's another story entirely...
    I'm aware that they aren't awarding degrees. The State of New York does not allow you to award certificates without approval if your program can be considered "vocational" or "career" in nature unless it is regulated by another agency. In fact, the bulk of proprietary schools registered in New York do not award degrees. BPSS approval is one thing. It's fairly simple to obtain as long as you meet all of the statutory requirements. Degree authorization is another animal entirely.

    For example, if I open a school that does continuing education for CPAs, I require approval from the state board of accountancy so that my courses count for continuing education credit and the Board of Regents is OK having me only be regulated by one agency.

    But you require some level of approval from some state agency to open a business school even if you only get a certificate at the end. You might not agree with New York's regulation to that level but it doesn't appear that Legacy is compliant.

    FWIW, having spoken to a few proprietary school folks in NYC, I have been told that BPSS approval is fairly easy to come by. But if you can get degree authorization the Board of Regents basically subjects you to a level of scrutiny that, if you pass it, you should have little difficulty obtaining accreditation. I don't know how true that is but I think the underlying point is that New York does not wish to be a haven for shady schools operating without oversight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    But you require some level of approval from some state agency to open a business school even if you only get a certificate at the end. You might not agree with New York's regulation to that level but it doesn't appear that Legacy is compliant.
    I don't agree. I see it as a cash grab. I have a hard time understanding the need for state approval to offer a certification in something like Fashion, lol. In my view, the only time a certification should reach the state approval requirement level is when dealing with anything where a lack of oversight could lead to public harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LearningAddict View Post
    I don't agree. I see it as a cash grab. I have a hard time understanding the need for state approval to offer a certification in something like Fashion, lol. In my view, the only time a certification should reach the state approval requirement level is when dealing with anything where a lack of oversight could lead to public harm.
    Well, here's the thing, whether you agree with it is immaterial. It's a regulatory requirement. It's one that possibly could have been avoided if they set up in a hotel in New Jersey or Connecticut. But they didn't. They set up in New York and are not playing by the rules.

    You can disagree with the rules. You can lobby to have the rules changed. But to purposely ignore them is pretty darn shady.

    If a school can ignore all the requirements they think constitutes a money grab with impunity then I imagine it would be quite fashionable to not pursue accreditation, or even state approval. There is a consumer interest at play for any education that is designed to help you enter a career field or further your career. Tiny little nail technician schools comply. But the big six figure "business school" cannot? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

    Trump ignored a chunk of regulations with Trump University and now his hotel is home to an even sketchier school that also doesn't seem keen to receive approval to operate.
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    New York State has to do its job, and they do it, sometimes... doesn't mean the public will care any more about it, or take it on with the same level of seriousness as the state would, that is until it affects them somehow. At the tuition being charged, and without financial aid, it's not going to affect the average student as they're only going to attract people wealthy enough to afford it anyway.

    I'm not saying in any way that side-stepping the state rules is ethical or anything like that. I'm just not outraged about a nothing school charging ridiculous prices for certificates that will only be sought after by people with more than enough money and not enough common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LearningAddict View Post
    New York State has to do its job, and they do it, sometimes... doesn't mean the public will care any more about it, or take it on with the same level of seriousness as the state would, that is until it affects them somehow. At the tuition being charged, and without financial aid, it's not going to affect the average student as they're only going to attract people wealthy enough to afford it anyway.

    I'm not saying in any way that side-stepping the state rules is ethical or anything like that. I'm just not outraged about a nothing school charging ridiculous prices for certificates that will only be sought after by people with more than enough money and not enough common sense.
    Well, I'm certainly not saying you should be outraged. But it doesn't look good when a school can't even get it together to operate legally.

    I wouldn't be outraged by an unregistered mechanic shop either. But I certainly wouldn't take my car there and I would not recommend it to others on that basis alone unless you're talking about a friend who is just really handy and willing to help you fix a car for cost of parts. I'm talking about a full on underground business operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    Well, I'm certainly not saying you should be outraged. But it doesn't look good when a school can't even get it together to operate legally.

    I wouldn't be outraged by an unregistered mechanic shop either. But I certainly wouldn't take my car there and I would not recommend it to others on that basis alone unless you're talking about a friend who is just really handy and willing to help you fix a car for cost of parts. I'm talking about a full on underground business operation.
    Agreed. I envision its student body to be made up of upper-class loser sons and daddy's little girls, and a few nuts willing to beg, borrow, and steal to pay the tuition in hopes of being like their idol. I can't see anyone who knows even the basics giving this program a second thought.

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