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    Fake Doctor Goes To Jail

    Maybe someone knows the name of the Alabama degree mill referenced in this story.

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    My guess is Clayton College of Natural Health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    My guess is Clayton College of Natural Health.
    You are correct, sir.
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    What's interesting is that the article notes that his "science wasn't on trial, his practices were." Yet they seemed to dedicate a fair amount of effort trying to debunk the "science" behind his practices.

    The reason why this is odd is that he wasn't on trial for fraud related to peddling pseudo science. He was on trial for practicing medicine without a license. His science could have been spot on. He could have been practicing more competently than many licensed physicians. But by "crossing the line" into practicing medicine and not having a medical license, he'd be in trouble.

    For sure, his conviction is a victory. But there are plenty of chiropractors who "cross the line" into practicing medicine with no consequence. And in states like NY, where we don't license naturopaths, unlicensed naturopaths thrive with established practices, calling themselves Doctor all the way.

    His "science" is no more or less bunk than naturopathy or chiropractic. The latter two just have better lawyers (and an arsenal of lobbyists).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    What's interesting is that the article notes that his "science wasn't on trial, his practices were." Yet they seemed to dedicate a fair amount of effort trying to debunk the "science" behind his practices.
    In the first instance you're referring to the courts and in the second you're referring to the newspaper. Different agendas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    In the first instance you're referring to the courts and in the second you're referring to the newspaper. Different agendas.
    I wasn't referring to the newspaper's agenda. I was referring to the statement:

    During the trial, prosecutors heard from both a doctor and a microbiologist called by the prosecution to debunk Young's theories.
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    Yeah, well I guess it would be hard to just completely ignore the junk science angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Yeah, well I guess it would be hard to just completely ignore the junk science angle.
    I can understand the temptation as well.

    But the fact is that there are plenty of M.D.s/D.Os offering junk science as well. Heck, even dentists and veterinarians are getting into the game. While veterinarian shopping (my old vet recently moved) I encountered a new vet who was more than eager to not "poison" my dog with vaccines and instead charge me the same amount for "homeopathic remedies."

    Young wasn't on trial for making misleading statements about the efficacy of his treatment modalities. He was on trial only for practicing medicine without a license. So, again, even if his science was spot on, he was still committing a crime.

    I'm no lawyer, but I wouldn't be shocked if we saw at least a partially successful appeal around the fact that the state made the case about his "science" (or lack thereof) to the point of prejudicing the jury. I hope it doesn't, mind you. I hope he serves his time and others considering this short-cut to the practice of medicine think twice about it. But the intersection of "greed" and "stupid" rarely sees "reason" stop by, it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    But the intersection of "greed" and "stupid" rarely sees "reason" stop by, it seems.
    If you hang out at the intersection of Greed St. and Stupid Ave. you'll likely find yourself on the bus that goes to the jail or the graveyard.
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    Do stupid people know they are stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhp View Post
    Do stupid people know they are stupid?
    Some of us do. But the ones who don't know seem to be a lot happier. Louis C.K. did a set about this...

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    As opposed to the majority of doctors who are not practicing medicine with a license? Most doctors are nothing but billing machines and don't give a crap about medicine or their patients.

    To me, all this case is about is a guild using the power of the state to enforce a state-sanctioned monopoly. Like lawyers, we shouldn't be licensing these people at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumbodog View Post
    As opposed to the majority of doctors who are not practicing medicine with a license? Most doctors are nothing but billing machines and don't give a crap about medicine or their patients.
    This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen written on this site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    I can't remember what I had for dinner last night, but I remembered that Clayton was in Alabama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    I can't remember what I had for dinner last night
    Didn't you get pizza from that little place over by the quarries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Didn't you get pizza from that little place over by the quarries?
    I gave it some deep thought, and finally remembered that it was super busy at work, so I had a small bag of Doritos, a Pepsi Max, and an apple on the fly.
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