CUI - University Centre, International

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    CUI Centro Universitario Internazionale - Citta' di Monte San Savino - Arezzo

    University Centre, International Agency for Research, Training and Cooperation University recognized by Ministerial Decree 29 March 1996

    VAE

    CUI Centro Universitario Internazionale - Citta' di Monte San Savino - Arezzo

    The Certification of Informal Learning records and makes visible the learning outcomes of an individual recognition. In Italy, by the Ministerial Decree 270/04, Art. 5, c. 7, - Universities recognize as academic credits, according to predetermined criteria, the knowledge and skills certified and already in possession of the student, enhancing the work, experience and professionalism acquired in areas of excellence, transforming Credit useful purposes of graduation (graduate Experience). Requests for validation (conversion) to obtain the certification of informal learning at various levels can be made ​​by individual candidates, and are measured using the ratio of 3 to 1, ie three years experience corresponds to a year of training certified.

    Google translate
     
  2. ebbwvale

    ebbwvale Member

    As a graduate of Charles Sturt, I can recommend them I have two postgrad quals from them. I did both in Australia but I do not live in the state that Charkes Sturt is situated so I did it bh distance.
    When I was a student there, there were quite a few US students so they may be used to US student needs.
    They were flexible so I do not think you will have a lot of trouble. Just in the case you dont know, the uni is a state owned institution which was set up to cater for a rural student base. It was named after an expkorer in the area where it is situated. As a relatively new university (about 40yrs) it has been gradually building a strong alumni base in industry. A little diferent fron Warnborough
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    What is the connection between Australia CSU and the Italian CUI?
     
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

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  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I usually can tell if the school is less then wonderful using GAAP.

    In this case I get mixed signals.

    The VAE page states that they use 3 years of experience equivalency to 1 Year in University.
    Reminds me VAE in Sorbone and US Immigration guide

    Any opinions of this school?

    I found the following on Google:

     
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Motto is good!

    I like their motto, which I've heard elsewhere and they admit (somewhere) to having borrowed.

    "se ascolti dimentichi,..se guardi ricordi, ..se fai impari"

    Roughly "listen and forget, see and remember, do and learn."

    Can't remember where I've heard it before. Maybe the eternally-unaccredited "University of Action Learning" that wound up in Vanuatu, IIRC? Perhaps, perhaps not. But it turns out the original author is Confucius. :smile:

    I can offer nothing regarding the legitimacy (or otherwise) of the school. Found no relevant info.

    Johann

    PS - REVANS U. is the name of the "Action Learning" school. It's named after the late Dr. Reg Revans (Cambridge IIRC) who pioneered "Action Learning." I don't believe there's any actual connection between this school and the late Professor Revans. It's here -- yes, in Vanuatu and still unaccredited. Revans University
     
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  7. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    The motto of Cal Poly (aka "California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo") is simply "Discere Faciendo", or "Learn by Doing".
    So it matches part of your motto, although the Cal Poly version looks different, perhaps because it is Latin, rather than Italian.
     
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Revans - unaccredited and no connection with Dr. Revans, as I said.

    The WIKI shows Revans U's non-accreditation (in several countries) quite clearly.

    Revans University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And, as I said, no connection with Dr. Revans.

    "Apart from the naming used, Reg Revans did not have any direct relationship with the university or International Management Centres Association (IMCA),[11] an association which sponsors the university, according to the university webpage."

    No physical presence on Vanuatu, either. Enough on Revans. Sorry! Maybe someone can tell us what kind of legitimacy CUI has.

    Johann
     
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Forgive me, Father. It has been 53 years since my last Latin lesson... :smile:

    Yes, it does look different. Partly because what's said is structured a little differently, grammar-wise.

    I'm not great with Italian -- I know Latin somewhat better. Much of the time, Italian is quite close to Latin of 2,000 years ago. Even closer, I feel, than other Romance languages such as French and Spanish. An example is "doing" as in the Cal Poly motto. The word used is faciendo (by doing) in Latin and facendo in modern Italian, e.g. Cosa stai facendo? What are you doing?

    Johann
     
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  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Wasn't UAL/Revans once accredited by DETC?
     
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes, Ted, but they lost it. A quote from the Wiki:

    "Both accreditation of Revans University and the IMCA was removed by The Distance Education and Training Council (DETC) in 2005."

    Johann
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Getting back to CUI. Lerner said he had problems with assessing this because referring to GAAP didn't seem to help. I agree.
    Here's an article on GAAP (Generally accepted accreditation principles) and I can't see where any one of the four standards applies.
    This might be OK, because (I believe) the place is not a University. It seems to deal primarily with certifications and I cannot see where it confers degrees in its own name.

    Accreditation Guide

    I have credit for precisely one year of high-school Italian, taken in the 80s, when I was around 40. :smile: I've worked it to the bone on this and as far as I can tell CUI has some legal standing (at least it was founded pursuant to a Ministerial decree cited) but is not a University. Their main function seems to be providing certification of prior experiential learning. They claim quite a list of universities among their clients. I presume CUI certifies prior experiential learning for (mainly prospective) students and applicants/employees of industrial concerns. I guess what credit an individual University allows, or what an industrial concern does, is up to the client itself. Here's the list of "client" Universities. Elsewhere, the CUI site claims to have partnerships/projects with most of these schools, plus some others, e.g. University of Lithuania.

    •UNIVERSITA' LUIGI BOCCONI
    •UNIVERSITA' POLITECNICO DI MILANO
    •UNIVERSITA' DI CASTELLANZA LIUC
    •UNIVESRITA' DI CATANIA (Job Placement)
    •UNIVERSITA' DEGLI STUDI DI PADOVA
    •UNIVERSITA' DEGLI STUDI DI SIENA
    •UNIVERSITA' DEGLI STUDI DI FIRENZE
    •UNIVERSITA' DEGLI STUDI DI ROMA LA SAPIENZA
    •UNIVERSITA' DEGLI STUDI DI ROMA TOR VERGATA
    •UNIVERSITA' PER STRANIERI DI SIENA
    •UNIVERSITA' DI LONDRA
    •UNIVERSITA' DI DRESDA
    •UNIVERSITA' DI TUBINGEN
    •UNIVERSITA' DI BARCELLONA
    •UNIVERSITA' DI LISBONA


    Some of the courses they list are not for us mortals, e.g. the Certificates in Clinical Psychopathology, Forensic Psychology and Psychological therapy. They're inexpensive (less than 600 Euros) but confined to doctors, lawyers and qualified psychologists.

    This is a strange one -- but I can't see where it offers degrees in its own name -- so I guess it can go by whatever rules that apply - and I have no idea of the relevant statutes etc. Main function appears to be certifying experiential learning for VAI (Validazione degli Apprendimenti Informali) which, I guess, is equivalent to French VAE.

    Not a degree mill, anyway. No evidence of degrees.

    Johann
     
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I said no degrees -- and I still think that's true. CUI does offer a course called "Master in Diagnosi e Terapia Neurofunzionale" (Master in Neurofunctional Diagnosis and Therapy) but it can't be a degree! Other than the possibly inappropriate use of "master" it doesn't claim to be. Another course restricted to qualified professionals, 5 sections, - 20 hours each. 100 hours total. Write for details, etc.

    Like I said. No (reliable) evidence of degrees.

    Johann
     
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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sorry - CUI has projects with U. of Latvia, not Lithuania. Lettonia = Latvia in Italian. My bad. :sad:

    Johann
     
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