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    Quote Originally Posted by docvbk View Post
    To answer some of the previous posts:

    Salt Lake Bible College is accredited with ASIC.
    ASIC is recognized by CHEA in the United States.
    CHEA link: CHEA International Directory

    It is also recognized as a degree awarding private school by the state of Utah.
    UEN (Utah Education Network) link: Utah Education Network

    It has received theological accreditation from the BSAA.
    BSAA link: Baptist Schools Accrediting Association

    In answer to the statement "non-denominational": Salt Lake Bible College is an arm of Salt Lake Baptist College. It is a ministry of Bible Baptist Church of Taylorsville, UT, which is a non-denominational, Independent Baptist Church. It is not part of the Baptist Denomination. It is Baptist by lineage, not by a denomination or an association, and is an Independent Baptist Church owing no allegiance to any denominational hierarchy nor to anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ. Our history , traceable from the original Church started by the Lord Jesus Christ, can be studied at SLBC in the First Level course, The Church. We do fellowship with thousands of other Independent Baptist Churches but they in no way comprise a denomination- Baptist or otherwise. They are only a fellowship of like-minded, Bible-believing, Churches who are all Independent and Baptist by lineage and not by Denomination and hold no denominational or any other type of control over one another.

    As of 8/7/13, SLBC has over 6,000 students in 76 various countries. Its degrees are recognized by many countries worldwide. Recognition includes, but is not limited to, USA, China, Brazil, Nigeria, the Philippines, Samoa, Togo, UK, Benin, Ghana, and these are just a few that come to mind. A much larger list can be found on our website.

    As far as we can discern, SLBC is the largest internationally accredited free Bible College in existence.

    If you have further questions, please contact Dr. Van at docvbk@saltlakebiblecollege.org
    Hello Dr Van,
    I was just checking through one of the websites linked to the Saltlake Bible College webpage and found The University of America. It seems there are no enough information as to the courses offered even though it states the courses are free starting July, 2013. I understand students pay certain fee for exams?... Is it possible for international students to take The UA courses 100% online without having to come to your campus? It seems that submission of admission form requires a payment of $150. I was wondering if this is correct considering the fact that you stated the programs become free starting July 2013. Thanks
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    Contrary to the post above - ASIC "accreditation" is NOT CHEA-recognized accreditation in the US.

    ASIC may be on some CHEA committee as it claims, but it NOT a CHEA-recognized accreditor. Check it out. Here are the CHEA-recognized National Accreditors - and next are the the Faith-based National Accreditors. Do you see ASIC? No, you don't. ASIC "Accreditation" is NOT RECOGNIZED in the US. Not RA. Not NA --not nuthin'.

    CHEA: Directory of National Career-Related Accrediting Organizations
    CHEA: Directory of Faith-Related Accrediting Organizations

    ASIC was conceived originally to check UK schools enrolling foreigners, to make sure they weren't harboring undesirables and that no immigration-related bad stuff was going on. It reported to the UK Border Agency. No academic involvement or authority - other than ensuring there were "real" classes going on.

    ASIC morphed into its present form as an "international accreditor" and now thinks of itself as able to authorize degree-granting.
    Hmph! In its own evil mind, perhaps! It is very active in Asia.

    The only other US school I have seen flying ASIC banner is University of Atlanta, which now has no recognized US accreditation, NA or RA. U of A bought its "ASIC" sticker when it was running out the clock on its now-expired DETC accreditation.

    Just put this ASIC thing in the same can with IDLAA, REDAC, BOUA, UCOEA, ACI and the rest of 'em. The truck will be around on Friday!

    Johann
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    A religious school with a less-than-forthright - perhaps even dishonest - accreditation statement. How unusual!

    Johann

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Just put this ASIC thing in the same can with IDLAA, REDAC, BOUA, UCOEA, ACI and the rest of 'em. The truck will be around on Friday!
    It is now Friday. The truck just left. Full load.

    Johann

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    Here is the link of institutions accredited by ASIC:

    College Directory - ASIC

    The only U.S. universities listed are the otherwise unaccredited University of Atlanta, Delta International University and the University of America (Salt Lake Bible College is not mentioned by ASIC, but is run by the same people).

    On its website, (Accreditation), SLBC states the following: "The University of America/Salt Lake Baptist College/Salt Lake Bible College is fully accredited by the Accreditation Service for International Schools, Colleges, and Universities (ASIC UK) a UK government recognized international agency listed in the US CHEA's list of recognized international agencies. CHEA link is HERE."

    The link should have gone to CHEA's home page of the international directory (Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) International Directory) which clarifies the ASIC (and other listings):

    Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA)

    International Directory

    Accrediting Organizations
    Higher Education Quality Assurance Agencies
    Ministries of Education
    This directory contains contact information about 467 quality assurance bodies, accreditation bodies and Ministries of Education in 175 countries. The quality assurance and accreditation bodies have been authorized to operate by their respective governments either as agencies of the government or as private (nongovernmental) organizations.

    The information has been obtained from the quality assurance or accreditation body or ministry of education . It has been reformatted by CHEA but otherwise not edited. The terminology used by the different organizations and governments is not standardized.

    This directory is provided as a public service without warranty of any kind. The directory does not constitute an endorsement by CHEA of the agencies or organizations contained here. (emphasis mine).

    Both Dr. VanBuskirk's institutions' websites (SLBC and UofA) and his post stating that ASIC is a CHEA recognized accrediting agency are absolutely false. According to an admittedly superficial Google search. It appears that Dr. Vanbuskirk's doctorate is from his own school (Salt Lake Bible College).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    ASIC "Accreditation" is NOT RECOGNIZED in the US. Not RA. Not NA --not nuthin'.
    This is correct. The SLBC/ASIC relationship is not legitimately recognized accreditation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Pina View Post
    Dr. Vanbuskirk's doctorate is from his own school (Salt Lake Bible College).
    Mr. Vanbuskirk awarded himself a doctorate? He probably had numerous life experience credits.
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    As I said - ASIC accred. is not CHEA-recognized.
    As Dr. Piña said - claims that ASIC accred. is CHEA-recognized on "Dr." VanBuskirk's websites and in his posting here are "absolutely false."
    As Dr. Piña and RAM both suggested - Dr. VanBuskirk basically awarded himself a "doctorate." (His own school.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip
    I always love people who lie with such audacity...
    But Chip was talking (in another thread) about Dr. Maxine Asher. Now, she's a hoot and her own degrees are real. Not so for this VanBuskirk guy.

    Johann
    Last edited by Johann; 08-11-2013 at 10:58 AM.

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    In generally all ¨valid¨school in Eu are those who are recognized by the state government. So Every degree earned in US must be evaluated, nostrificate ! It is means every exam has to be analysed ¨per se¨!!! And it is very important for what do You need degree for proceeding schooling or for job ??

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    Yes, Maya - what you say about European Universities is generally true. Recognition or charter by the State makes the University able to grant degrees which have proper standing. There are a few other situations, like Swiss Cantonal approval, which result in schools which can legally grant degrees that may have lesser standing than mainstream State-chartered universities. Some of these degrees, while not against the law, have no standing at all - and very little utility. Others fare quite well - usually business degrees with approval from a well-known association - e.g. EQUIS, AMBA, AACSB, ACBSP.

    There are also universities in Europe that do not have any sort of State recognition - and some of them are degree mills in every sense of the world. You have them - we have them.

    In the US, the standard is the school's accreditation. There are two forms: Regional and National. There are six Regional accreditors and only about three National Accreditors, besides those that solely accredit schools offering religious degrees.

    if a U.S. school is accredited by one of those legitimate bodies, its degrees have standing. Some States have a "State Approval" process that is not accreditation. California is one such State. That process simply makes it legal for a State-Approved school to operate. Its degrees are legally issued in its State, but they have lesser acceptance than mainstream degrees. One has to be careful where and how one uses such a degree. In some other jurisdictions, these degrees may be completely worthless or even illegal. Below those State-approved schools, of course, there are degree mills. Some states have passed laws against unaccredited schools operating there - so the bad schools just move on to somewhere else.

    What you say about "nostrification" (which I recognize as Latin for "making it one of ours") applies to foreign degrees, which people want to use in the US. There are 14 or 15 legitimate credential evaluators, whose job it is to evaluate foreign degrees and credentials, deciding to exactly what level they are equivalent in terms of US education .

    Nowhere does every exam, etc. have to be scrutinized. Accreditors may look at a U.S. school's curriculum course-by-course and for some less-usual evaluations of foreign degrees, there may be some examination of course contents.

    To sum up. In Europe, the standard is usually State recognition. In the US, the standard is Accreditation.

    Johann
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    There are 14 or 15 legitimate credential evaluators...
    Sorry. There are a few more than that. I counted. 21 NACES members and AACRAO - so, 22 in all.

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    Hello Johann, Thank you for explanation.
    In generally in every University, we have ¨one more degree¨:-). As I understood every new school have to be report to local Department of Education , so it means have to have some average academic standard. You have right, In Europe also exist many, many, I will say, schools for higher education with only a few programs!! For ASIC I do not know what they are in really :-? I sent couple emails and found myself to make conversation with same person!!!
    But, I will focusing now on religious schools. In Europe are many so-called The Pope Universities, private church Universities.Recognised by government as academic institutions. In US is situation a little bit different, and it makes me very confuse?

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    Hi Maya -

    ASIC is not a recognized academic accreditor. Its approval means absolutely nothing, academically. ASIC started as an organization that reported to the UK Border Agency. Its job was to look at British schools (mostly non-degree-granting schools) that enrolled foreign students, and see that there were "real" classes and that the people who attended belonged there - no immigration violations, all had proper visas etc. ASIC approval did not give a school degree-granting powers - and still doesn't. ASIC says so itself.

    ASIC has decided to become international - and schools in several countries that have no degree-granting authority are buying ASIC approval because it looks impressive to those who don't know it's not recognized - and the ASIC sticker tends to make their meaningless degrees look better, to buyers - innocent or not.

    There are all types of religious schools in the US. About 20 States have a "religious exemption" - meaning that a school that confers degrees in religious subjects only, does not require accreditation. The other States do not.

    Many religious schools, Christian, Jewish and other faiths do choose to be accredited. Some are Regionally Accredited, some Nationally. For example, the well-known distance school, Catholic Distance University is DETC (Nationally) accredited. There are some National Accreditors (called Faith-based accreditors) that deal solely with religious schools. An example is TRACS (Trans National Association of Christian Colleges and Schools). A complete list of recognized accreditors, by type, can be found on this site. Council for Higher Education Accreditation Home Page

    As I said, there are also many unaccredited religious schools, as quite a few U.S. States permit them. The quality of these varies tremendously. Some have quite high standards. Others require nothing more than a credit card. Other unaccredited religious schools are --- oh, somewhere in between, I guess.

    Johann
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann
    schools in several countries that have no degree-granting authority are buying ASIC approval because it looks impressive to those who don't know it's not recognized - and the ASIC sticker tends to make their meaningless degrees look better, to buyers - innocent or not.
    That's confusing...sorry. What I meant to say is: schools with no degree-granting authority are buying ASIC approval...etc. It's happening in several countries, including the US. I hope that's clear. I just missed the 10-minute editing cutoff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johann
    The other States do not.
    Translation: The other States do not have a "religious exemption." They do not have a special waiver of accreditation requirements for religious schools.

    Johann
    Last edited by Johann; 11-06-2013 at 01:51 PM.

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    Utah and the Salt Lake Bible College

    Utah has fairly stringent laws for schools to be able to award degrees. I checked and Salt Lake Baptist College is listed with the Utah Department of Consumer Protection as a "Registration-Exempt Postsecondary Proprietary Schools". However, I couldn't find Salt Lake Bible College.

    Utah Division of Consumer Protection

    Maybe you'll have better luck! Perhaps the "Bible College" is a college of the Salt Lake Baptist College? Hopefully, the degree awarded says, Salt Lake Baptist College which is at a minimum State Approved!

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