Just to think this is a source for HR staff when checking out your degree…

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by b4cz28, May 11, 2011.

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  1. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

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  2. msganti

    msganti Active Member

  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Where did you get that idea? For the fun of it, I sometimes temporarily vandalize an article to shock certain people into understanding what Wikipedia really is. I like what it really is, but you won't find me looking on it for medical advice or academic research. How can you trust ANYTHING it says when it takes less than five seconds to make Wikipedia say that Maniac Craniac is the President of the United States?
     
  4. GeeBee

    GeeBee Member

    Is it? The article talks about accreditation being revoked for one particular program. The newspaper articles referenced in the notes appear to indicate that this is true.

    Someone should probably add a paragraph on accreditation for the other programs at the school. The Wikipedia article is, as far as I can tell, incomplete, but not inaccurate.
     
  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    It was more inaccurate this morning when it said that MSU fit the definition of a diploma mill, that it gave degrees by life experience and that its graduate programs were unaccredited.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Well if someone didn't get hired because the degree has to be specialty accredited then RA or not RA has no meaning here.

    This applied only to nursing program or any program that has to be professionally or specialty accredited.

    Some employers will hire only with such degrees and also some licensing boards require the specialty accreditation so if a person completed BSN and trying to become RN they will be rejected because the degree is not Specialty accredited.

    Its important do to indicate that the university is RA accredited. As mentioned earlier it may sound like a mill on the Wikki write up.
     
  7. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    When I read it the other day it stated MSU was a MILL that was unaccredited and gave degrees by life experience. It keeps changing, looks like an edit war with an ex-student or staff member. My whole point is that I know that HR people use Wiki as a source to check up on school, I was told so by an HR employee that they used it. Does this sound right to yall? This was there this morning but now it's been changed.



    "More lawsuits are now pending against Mountain State, including one which claims assault by the former director of the CRNA program, Dr. Ronald Smith, and purposeful distribution of private student information in class by the Executive Vice President of the MSU Beckley campus, Roslyn Clark-Artis. The lawsuit also alledges that MSU breeched it's contract with the students in providing an education free of a hostile learning environment and a quality education. This lawsuit is now in mediation with a trial date set for late June 2011"

    " Mountain State is currently seeking alternative accreditation by the Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education, an accrediation mill"

    "Mountain State University's nurse anesthesia program is accredited by the Council on Accreditation of Nurse Anesthesia Educational Programs, an accreditation mill."
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You need to check the HR persons credentials maybe they are from some mill :) ?

    I agree that professional HR person should not rely on Wikki as authority. They should do the right thing go to recognized accreditation agencies and check with them and also CHEA etc or some other recognized listing.
     
  9. iamthere

    iamthere New Member

    Well, HR people are getting lazy. They will also do a Google search of your name to see if anything negative pops out to get rid of some other qualified candidates. You can write just about anything internet and there will be people out there so stupid, they will believe it is true, but when they are the gatekeepers it is worse.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    So, how would you feel if someone said that they post misinformation on this forum to shock certain people into understanding what DegreeInfo really is?

    -=Steve=-
     
  11. iamthere

    iamthere New Member

    I am with SteveForester on this one. I am also reminded of Ronald Regan's quote, "Trust but verify." This is also my number two rule in rules to live your life by.

    Also, I want to add a point that I missed yesterday. If Human resources is being lazy when researching candidates doesn't that set a bad example for current employees? It tells them it is OK to be lazy at their job.
     
  12. Zara Mari

    Zara Mari New Member

    Wikipedia is a human-edited encyclopedia. Some companies use this as a way of promoting their brand/products and all it takes is a good writer to submit an article. Some have relevant articles but others don’t have. If I remember it right, there’s certain number of words before your article can be approved. You just need to define a word/phrase, cite some sources (can’t remember the required number of sources) and on the end, your company/organization can be mentioned. I just hope there would be extensive screening before an article will be available for the public because most people especially students use this as their main source of information.
     
  13. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    And what, in your opinion, is DegreeInfo, really?
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    A number of things, including (1) a resource that's only as good as the contributions that people make to it, and (2) a community of people who may disagree on the specifics, but who mostly want to help those seeing online programs find ones that will meet their needs.

    This is not very different from how I'd describe Wikipedia. So when someone who's a moderator here suggested deliberately adding misinformation to Wikipedia, I thought the best way to show why that would be wrong would be to ask how he'd feel if someone did the equivalent here.

    -=Steve=-
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Also things change with times, so a good advise in 2000 may not be that good in 2011.
    Ad accepted unaccredited legitimate option in 1980s may be called diploma mill in 2011 and closed by the court order.
     
  16. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Here is something I post in just about every class I teach. If you think a wiki post is a fact, think again. I often look at a wiki site for information and look at the sources listed. I then find the sources and read it for myself.

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    ***Using Wikipedia for research information***
    Here is a good story - don't believe everything you read online - especially in wikipedia! That site is great and I use it a lot but I also know to double check the information if I am really going to "use it". Did you realize ANYONE can add or change what is posted on Wikipedia? It is purposefully designed for everyone to contribute to the knowledge of the world. By definition a Wiki is "a collaborative Web site that comprises the perpetual collective work of many authors. A wiki allows anyone to edit, delete or modify content that has been placed on the Web site, including the work of previous authors."

    Gotcha! Student's Wikipedia Hoax Fools Mainstream Media
    When he posted a fake quote on Wikipedia and watched it leak into newspapers around the world, Shane Fitzgerald demonstrated the dangers of relying on the Internet for information.
    Gotcha! Student's Wikipedia Hoax Fools Mainstream Media
     
  17. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Perhaps they should find a new field, stop being lazy, and/or become more educated.
     
  18. Rauch

    Rauch New Member

    This is why I do not use Wikipedia as an informative source :D. Except that little random page button has always brought new subjects to my eyes.

    Most Wiki's as far as I'm concerned are incomplete. Nobody really cares enough to want to post up proper information. If that was the case, Wikipedia would be a great source for essays.
     
  19. NorCal

    NorCal Active Member

    Everytime I see an add for this school, I keep wanting to call it Blue Mountain State, lol.
     

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