Technological University of America Florida

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  1. jra

    jra Member

    Hey guys I, friend of mine in Florida found a school called "Technological University of America" (tuauniversity) they semm to have a B&M campus.

    I have not found any degree granting authority or accreditation reference on their website. Does anybody in FL know about this school? is it accredited (which i doubt since uses a .org domain) or at least invested with degree granting authority or simply another degree mill?

    Thank you
     
  2. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

  3. emmzee

    emmzee New Member

    It is unlisted in the USDE database here:
    Search Institutional Accreditation System

    So it is currently unaccredited. It says on their about page that "TUA was approved by the Commission for Independent Education to operate as a postsecondary institution in the State of Florida on January 28 th , 2010." However I'm not familiar with the rules & regulations in Florida so I'm not sure exactly what that means re their degree-granting authority.

    They claim some kind of connection to "Universidad Tecnológica del Perú" but I am not sure about that institution's accreditation status in Peru either.
     
  4. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

    Several things: Just because a schools shows pictures of some college doesn't necessarily mean that campus is theirs. Also, their name does not sound like a school that wants to be taken seriously. In addition to the fact that their website is very unprofessional, their domain name does not accurately reflect the school name. Technological University of America (Tua university.org); is this another TUI-style name? I know that using the .org extension by a school usually means they cannot get a .edu, which is given to schools with some form of accreditation or government agency recognition (in the U.S.). The school is "millish," besides, I do not see what they really offer that other legitimates schools do not (offering IT and business degrees and adding engineering at the end of those degree programs?) It may be a legitimate operation that is new. I would, however, let them "clean up their act" by getting some form of recognition (even if it is from a local education body in Florida) before even thinking about handing over your money to them; even if its a dollar.
     
  5. ChiSquare

    ChiSquare New Member

  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It means that TUA is state approved by the Florida Department of Education to offer degree programs. So it may be unaccredited, but it's neither illegitimate nor a mill. And the photos of their campus match the building in the satellite picture for that address on Google Maps.

    As for the name, depending on the target market, it might be perfectly fine.

    I know there's a lot of bullcrap out there, but sometimes things are what they say they are!

    -=Steve=-
     
  7. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member


    The school is clearly not run by Americans. The site has American written about a million times. It seems there aim is set at non-Americans. But they are up front about the fact they hold no accreditation.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I would say instead that it's clear that the school is not run by native speakers of English, which isn't the same thing.

    Considering that the U.S. has only 5% of the world's population, but American higher education has a good reputation internationally, I'd call that a very good plan. :smile:

    -=Steve=-
     
  9. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    You are correct on both Steve.
     
  10. edowave

    edowave Active Member

    Most universities in Florida have this license, but it is typically the license used by businesses that open a bartending school, truck driving schools, welding, and other vocational programs. When I used to train divemasters in Florida, the dive store I worked at had this. You fill out some forms and you get it.

    So yes, "legally" they can operate in Florida, but that doesn't make this place any less of a mill.
     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I understand they're unaccredited, but that's not the same thing as being a mill. A mill sells fake credentials for cash without regard for academics. No one's offered any evidence yet that this place does that. And the scare quotes add nothing here; they're not operating "legally", they're operating legally -- and given that accreditors require two years of operation before one can even apply to them for candidacy, state approval is about all they can do.

    -=Steve=-
     
  12. jra

    jra Member

    Thanks for the valuable comments and information. I agree with the fact that we can't technically say the school is a mill. However there are several red flags. Like the amateur website, the .org instead of edu but what really called my attention was that there are 2 schools with very similar names registered in the same addresss.

    If not a mill it is very but very suspicious. Perhaps they intend to function unaccredited and focus on bringing foreign students on F-1 visas? could this be another kind of Tri-Valley-like operation?
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I don't think this looks suspicious at all, much less "very" suspicious.

    The site for the other name hasn't been updated in nearly two years, and doesn't purport to be operating, in fact they say they're still organizing. My guess is that they were going to go with the other name, changed their minds, and forgot to take down the old site. An unimpressive oversight, yes, but not the sign of a mill.

    As for the site quality, I've seen some pretty dapper web sites for mills, so that's not a great indicator of legitimacy. I agree that TUA's web site isn't the greatest, especially for a "technological university", but I've seen worse-looking ones even for regionally accredited schools.

    It may indeed be that TUA's business model is to remain unaccredited and attract foreign students with F-1 status. But if so they wouldn't be the first school to do that, Virginia International University did that for years with no problem (they later got accredited by ACICS). You mention Tri-Valley, but their problem wasn't being unaccredited, it was not being a real school. Meanwhile, there's still no evidence that TUA is anything other than what it claims to be.

    I know there are a lot of mills out there, and that South Florida isn't exactly known for being the world's focal point for business integrity. But I also think that legitimate schools have to start somewhere, and that there's no evidence yet that this school's naysayers aren't jumping at shadows.

    -=Steve=-
     
  14. major56

    major56 Active Member

    Steve,

    You’re arguments are representative of objectivity and reason. Seemingly some have neither first hand familiarity with, nor patience for start-up ventures – particularly colleges /universities. Too often cynics emerge as unrealistic in expectation in targeting the newer, in this case a relatively new B&M Florida post-secondary degree granting education venture (e.g., “TUA has opened its door to the students since Fall 2010.”), with their individual belief that the endeavor’s (risk-taker’s) end-product and/or service should together launch and entirely institute (with all the anticipated whistles and bells) at the onset. Individual perception/s can routinely be self-purported as equating to accurateness. Subjective reasoning combined with speculation, can allow unsupported evaluative leaps using comparisons such as, e.g., 1) operating within state licensure = mill, 2) in progress unaccredited school = mill and 3) that an unappealing website, per opinion = mill.
     
  15. NAB1990

    NAB1990 New Member

    It’s truly sad to see how much ignorance there is in this world and how much discrimination towards a really great university there is just because it is new and it isn’t “run by Americans”? What kind of comments are these? We should judge schools based on the education they can offer us not with racism. What does any of this have to do with a university’s ability to teach and graduate students? Unless you are a true Native American (such as the Seminoles) then you shouldn’t be talking… stop being such a nativist (in case you don’t know what this means, it means someone who thinks that everyone who is not a native born is inferior to them.) Go read a history book and find out how the country you are LIVING in became the United States of America. People like you are an embarrassment to this country and the reason why this country doesn’t excel to its full potential.
     
  16. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    Welcome to the forum.
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I don't see how referring to it as not being run by Americans is racist, especially since he didn't say that was a bad thing, but was just referring to their non-native use of language.

    -=Steve=-
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Anyway, I actually contacted TUA to ask them about some of the concerns people had here, directing them to see this thread. Dr. Ali Bakhtiar, one of their department chairs, responded to me, and I don't think he'd mind my reprinting his response:

    Needless to say, an invitation to visit the campus isn't exactly typical degree mill behavior. And yes, next time I'm in South Florida I intend to take him up on it.

    I also noticed that they fixed the situation with the old school name pointing to a different site. It now redirects to the real site. So it seems it really was just an oversight.

    -=Steve=-
     
  19. edowave

    edowave Active Member

    I should probably clarify I didn't intend to say TUA is a mill (I guess it came out that way), but a place having a Florida post-secondary license doesn't automatically exclude it from being a mill.

    I need to stop trying to write posts at 3am.
     
  20. jeff532003

    jeff532003 New Member

    Steve, just wanted to give you kudos. Your a true scholar the way you handled this post. My hat is off to you sir.
     

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