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    My apologies Ted. I did not notice the DA (details are sometimes landmines to me so I inadvertantly avoid them).

    My search has proved as futile as yours in regards to "Professor DETC".

    Getting back to the subject of this thread, are you all aware of this resource for DETC success stories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmboy View Post
    My apologies Ted. I did not notice the DA (details are sometimes landmines to me so I inadvertantly avoid them).

    My search has proved as futile as yours in regards to "Professor DETC".

    Getting back to the subject of this thread, are you all aware of this resource for DETC success stories?
    Yes indeed! This is a huge event, and great exposure for DETC school students. Quite a few of our esteemed DI members have been recipients of this award. One that I can think of is the DL pioneer Jamie Gauthier.

    Go get em Detective Gauthier!

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    I hate that this thread is even necessary. I have had amazing experiences in NA schools, and a horrible one at a RA school. I dont understand why RA is the gold standard. I dont believe it should be. I feel NA and RA should be held at the same level, to the same standards. This stigma that NA is so much lower than RA really ticks me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMTTD View Post
    I hate that this thread is even necessary. I have had amazing experiences in NA schools, and a horrible one at a RA school. I dont understand why RA is the gold standard. I dont believe it should be. I feel NA and RA should be held at the same level, to the same standards. This stigma that NA is so much lower than RA really ticks me off.
    Regional accreditaton is older and therefore has deeper roots and stronger ties. Nevertheless, I don't believe in the idea that because a school is RA it's automatically better, because it just isn't true.

    You and I share a common awful experience with Ashford with many of the exact same issues. That school is regionally accredited, but it amazes me--considering how much of a joke it is--that anyone would accredit that trainwreck. I'll never forget how the professor for my computer class didn't know how to take a screenshot... A PROFESSOR OF A COMPUTER CLASS WHO DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE A SCREENSHOT? That's like a math professor who doesn't know how to add 2+2, and had I stuck around for more than one semester I bet I would've run into one there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMTTD View Post
    I hate that this thread is even necessary. I have had amazing experiences in NA schools, and a horrible one at a RA school. I dont understand why RA is the gold standard. I dont believe it should be. I feel NA and RA should be held at the same level, to the same standards. This stigma that NA is so much lower than RA really ticks me off.
    The acceptance of NA has risen quite a bit since the founding of this website.....acceptance for federal employment was a huge step forward, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    The acceptance of NA has risen quite a bit since the founding of this website.....acceptance for federal employment was a huge step forward, IMO.
    OH????? When did federal employment open up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmboy View Post
    OH????? When did federal employment open up?
    Several years ago, it's not a recent development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Several years ago, it's not a recent development.
    Not my first time to play "Catch up". I didn't realize that. Appreciate what you were saying about DETC looking different now than when this board first started. My sense is that there remains an ideological conflict with some though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmboy View Post
    Not my first time to play "Catch up". I didn't realize that. Appreciate what you were saying about DETC looking different now than when this board first started. My sense is that there remains an ideological conflict with some though.
    I couldn't care less if NA becomes as accepted as RA....what does irritate me is when someone is given advice on the non-universal acceptance of NA credits, enrolls in a NA school anyway, then comes back to complain that their degree/credits aren't accepted somewhere. That actually happened either here or on the old alt.education .distance newsgroup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    I couldn't care less if NA becomes as accepted as RA....what does irritate me is when someone is given advice on the non-universal acceptance of NA credits, enrolls in a NA school anyway, then comes back to complain that their degree/credits aren't accepted somewhere. That actually happened either here or on the old alt.education.distance newsgroup
    They likely did that with the thinking that they would be the exception and could get theirs accepted. If they are going to a NA graduate school, and they either already have a job or will be getting a job once they get the degree and the employer has told them the NA degree would be just fine, GO FOR THE NA DEGREE!!!!!!!!!! Its so much cheaper, education quality is excellent (well, in my personal experience), and in that scenario you can't go wrong. Its just sad to me that it takes that type of scenario to make NA degrees more accepted. It just bites. NA schools tend to offer a more diverse selection of degrees, with really interesting classes. Some of their programs are REALLY hard to find. So in MY opinion, I like NA better. BUT, for the sake of my kids, my future career, and making money, I had to jump ship and come to a RA school that THANK GOODNESS in NOTHING like Ashford . Ugh. Their accreditation is up for review in 2014, and with all of their problems and horrible reputation over the last few years, I wouldnt be surprised IN THE LEAST if they lost their RA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMTTD View Post
    They likely did that with the thinking that they would be the exception and could get theirs accepted. If they are going to a NA graduate school, and they either already have a job or will be getting a job once they get the degree and the employer has told them the NA degree would be just fine, GO FOR THE NA DEGREE!!!!!!!!!! Its so much cheaper, education quality is excellent (well, in my personal experience), and in that scenario you can't go wrong. Its just sad to me that it takes that type of scenario to make NA degrees more accepted. It just bites. NA schools tend to offer a more diverse selection of degrees, with really interesting classes. Some of their programs are REALLY hard to find. So in MY opinion, I like NA better. BUT, for the sake of my kids, my future career, and making money, I had to jump ship and come to a RA school that THANK GOODNESS in NOTHING like Ashford. Ugh. Their accreditation is up for review in 2014, and with all of their problems and horrible reputation over the last few years, I wouldnt be surprised IN THE LEAST if they lost their RA.
    I forget the specifics, but the person was enamored with a DETC school, but wanted to attend an RA graduate program. Several people (including me) warned that DETC degrees were not acceptable for many RA graduate programs (especially so back then), but he/she went ahead and did it anyway. Some time went by (the person had significant transfer credit so it didn't take long), and they came back, complaining that they were rejected by every graduate program to which they applied, due to their DETC undergrad degree. I don't do it often, but I said "I told you so".

    I'll do some searching to see if I can find it, but the problem is that I can't remember if it was here or on the alt.education .distance newsgroup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMTTD View Post
    I had to jump ship and come to a RA school that THANK GOODNESS in NOTHING like Ashford. Ugh. Their accreditation is up for review in 2014, and with all of their problems and horrible reputation over the last few years, I wouldnt be surprised IN THE LEAST if they lost their RA.
    It doesn't work that way, not even at the contemptible DETC. Accreditors don't wait for renewal to address issues that threaten a school's accreditation. If a school was in danger of losing its accreditation, the agency would have already taken preliminary steps (you've read about them on this board) to correct things. At some point the accreditor will go public with the issues (as a public service to consumers).

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    @NMTTD

    NA schools aren't necessarily cheaper. A lot of the DETC schools have raised tuition, and the ACICS schools charge quite a bit (as much or more as many RA schools).

    But all of the accreditors are guilty of accrediting some questionable programs, it's just that people tend to only want to focus on the ones national accreditors fumbled on. The DETC has made some bad calls in the past, but they do correct them (not that anyone ever wants to give them credit for that), whereas it seems like regional accreditors allow bull to happen for a much longer time before a school is stripped and most of the time they're never stripped.

    Schools like Ashford and University of Phoenix have been involved in so much BS and yet they remain accredited. I haven't even heard of Ashford getting a slap on the wrist for the financial aid game you mentioned, where if a student withdraws, suddenly the bill starts increasing. They tried to pull that on me too, as well as many other students. Unfortunately for those slimeballs, I kept records of everything I did there including screenshots of classroom activity and all my financial documents, so when the numbers weren't right I sent that document with a legal threat and magically everything was fixed...
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    My DETC MBA from Columbia Southern University got my feet into the US soil, landed a good paying job in a telecom company, then currently with a 6-digit annual income after taxes in a power generation company. Not bad at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe C. Abala View Post
    My DETC MBA from Columbia Southern University got my feet into the US soil, landed a good paying job in a telecom company, then currently with a 6-digit annual income after taxes in a power generation company. Not bad at all.
    Way to go Felipe!!!!!!!!!

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    You know, Columbia Southern seems to get a lot of high marks from students, press, and employers. I wonder what they're doing over there to create such a sparkling perception? Whatever it is, keep up the good work.

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