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  1. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

  2. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Sounds more like a victim.
     
  3. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Victim - come on! The Columbia State degree is a joke. You can get a BS degree in a week from them. Do you really think he felt he was getting a quality degree?
     
  4. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    Not mentioned is Columbia State, from which he was “awarded a bachelor’s degree in business administration with a minor in management,” according to a cached version of his 2002 campaign website.

    “I graduated with honors and a 3.8 grade point average,” it reads.

    Perry, through a spokeswoman, declined on Wednesday evening to be interviewed for this story. Meredith Warren, his spokeswoman, said Perry had campaign-related obligations and was unavailable. His Twitter feed said he was at a fundraiser in the Pinehills development in Plymouth.

    In an e-mailed statement, Warren said Perry completed a “correspondence course” through Columbia State.

    “Like thousands of others, Jeff invested his time and money to take courses from the school. Some years later, it became public that the founder of Columbia State University lied to students (including Jeff) and the public about the school’s legitimacy,” the statement said. “Jeff was one of many people around the country who were victims of this fraud.”





    “They all realized what they were getting,” Pellar told the newspaper. “I mean, come on, who’s kidding who? They were getting a Ph.D. in a month.”




    From the guy who ran the school. Seems that he was just trying to cheat the system like every other person who looks to a mill. He got caught and now is back peddling.
     
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Columbia State offered degrees in 28 days for years through ads in USA Today. No instruction, no evaluations, no learning, no education. Just money and degrees. There were stories about workers at Columbia State receiving papers from some customers, writing good grades on them, then returning them. So perhaps there were a deluded few. But that's still no defense. If this guy claims a degree from there, he is an active and knowing participant in educational fraud. The voters have an opportunity to rule on the matter. But.....

    From the story:

    “Like thousands of others, Jeff invested his time and money to take courses from the school. Some years later, it became public that the founder of Columbia State University lied to students (including Jeff) and the public about the school’s legitimacy,” the statement said. “Jeff was one of many people around the country who were victims of this fraud.”

    That is a lie. There were no "courses" to take. So much for the naiveté defense. If he wants people to take his side without seeing anything in his defense but his word, and his word is compromised, it is reasonable to take the other side: he actively participated in an educational fraud and got caught.
     
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  6. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Exactly - he knew.
     
  7. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    There was learning involved and evaluations. It was not a cash-for-degree exchange. You were given a book. You wrote a summary of each chapter. Each chapter was graded and each chapter was listed as a class on the transcript.
     
  8. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    That is not completely true - there kind of was a course.
     
  9. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    What amazes me is that there are still college faculty who list Columbia State degrees.....check out Lindy McLeod of Talladega College;

    Talladega College | Founded in 1867

    Or Billy Moore of Clark Atlanta University;

    Clark Atlanta University

    Those took about a minute to find.....imagine how many more are out there.
     
  10. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    What did you put in google to find these?
     
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  12. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I have no idea how long it takes to get a degree from them. I did not read the whole article before posting (oh no!) I was walking out the door...lol
     
  13. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    How did you do that wise one?

    I tried with no results.
     
  14. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    To be fair, some years ago, somebody unearthed a couple of people apparently with Columbia State degrees who, upon investigation, did actually have Columbia University degrees and had misstated the name of the school on their diplomas. (I called the registrar and checked.) I remember one such person was a professor at Cleveland State or Case Western (don't remember which.) So it's remotely possible that this is the case with the people Bruce googled... but equally or more likely that they, too, are Columbia State degrees.

    John has said that in his research, it seemed that the Columbia State people were trained to listen carefully and if the "student" acted like they felt they needed to do work, then they were sent a book... otherwise they were sent a degree. Columbia State's operation in San Clemente had a large shelf of books, and the workers would pull a book that was marginally relevant to whatever the degree the person was after. If they didn't have a relevant book, somebody went to the local Barnes and Noble and picked out a book and sent it to them.

    So the guy may well have done a book report... but certainly ought to have the common sense to know it wasn't enough work for a legit degree.
     
  15. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Yeah...I got the book...:cool:
     
  16. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    I didn't look at the timeline but I wonder how this fell in with the rest of his degrees. I see it happening after his Associates and before his legitimate BA and obviously before law school. His publicist stated that he completed these all via night school while working so he probably felt after his AA that he wanted an easy way out and then realized quickly afterward that it was a liability and couldn't go any further (like get into law school with it).

    The fact remains that after the Associates (if it did indeed come after that and not before he had any experience with higher education) he should have been well aware what was required.
     
  17. GeneralSnus

    GeneralSnus Member

    I did this:

    site:.edu "columbia state university" faculty

    I found a ton of people at some fairly well-known and regarded schools claiming CSU master and doctoral degrees.
     
  18. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Thanks for the info.....
     
  19. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    ph.d. "columbia state university"
     
  20. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I apologize for changing the subject but...

    :eek: !!!BRUCE!!! :eek:
     

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