I'm currenly attending a non-accredited school, and see their website says:

I'm currently attending a non-accredited school, and see their website says:link

accredited by "the U.S. Dept. of Education and the Israeli Ministries of Education and Religion."

does " U.S. Dept. of Education" mean that excelsior would accept the transfer in of credits? this institution gives a BA, but I know it would be a hard BA to use to get into a masters program..." I'd rather "transfer out" with as close to 120 credits as possible,and then graduate from excelsior or Thomas Edison.

although the site mentions Cape Cod College, its seems that has been discontinued.

your thoughts?

Thanks!

 

That page actually says: "As one of Ohr Somayach's instititutions, "Derech" is recognized as an accredited institution of higher learning by the U.S. Dept. of Education and the Israeli Ministries of Education and Religion." USDE doesn't accredit anyone directly. I looked up "Ohr Somayach" in the USDE directory and it found only one entry:

U.S. Department of Education Database of Accredited Postsecondary Institutions and Programs

It's not the school you linked which is www.ohr.edu, the school accredited by Association of Advanced Rabbinical and Talmudic Schools (AARTS) is www.os.edu ... The school you linked has an office in Brooklyn, NY, but the accredited school is in Monsey, NY.

It's possible that this other school with headquarters in Brooklyn has accreditation of some sort from the Israeli Ministries of Education and Religion, but it has none from USDE/CHEA recognized accreditors. The USDE may recognize the school, IF they are accredited legitimately somewhere else.

 

List of universities and colleges in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Not On the list)

From what I understand these are not colleges. They do not offer secular courses nor credit for any of their courses.

Ohr Somayach, Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I might be wrong but I don't think anything from this school could be used. I have to ask this so sorry if I offend you. Are you Jewish? These schools are to learn about the Torah and Jewish religious law and ethics etc. How long have you been going? At the price of $12,000 a year that steep for a non-US school with no utility which to me is what you are looking for.

 

Ohr Somayach, Monsey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to wiki, the school his is talking about is in Monsey as well, but it has no Accred.

p.s. I hate to use wiki but it all that was out there about this school. All the info seems more like an ad than an article.

 

The Council for Higher Education |

Well according to this they are unaccredited in Israel....

When you search for "Israeli Ministries of Education and Religion" as they have it on their site, they turn up in the search in the first spot. Israel has the "The Council for Higher Education" as their goverment run agency over education.

I hope another member proves me wrong though

 

The first (that the OP referenced) is www.ohr.edu. It is the one located in Brooklyn. The wiki article says it's accredited, but if it is, it's not accredited by a US accreditor. The wiki article about Ohr Brooklyn links to the accredited school, Ohr Monsey, saying "Ohr Somayach, Monsey - counterpart in the United States" ... but I couldn't find any mention of the Brooklyn school on the Monsey website, which makes me suspect that they are not actually related at all ... the only way to know for sure is to contact the Monsey school and ask.

 

It’s a rabbit hole. I think they might be full of it, I checked the Israel goverment website and it does not list them.....I'm no pro on Israel so I won't say what I want to.

 

Run for the hills man! Save your $12,000.00 a year for an accredited school.

Abner

 

I hope that not a lot of time and money has been invested. If it has then investigate transferability quickly. Chances are it is not going to satisfy your utility needs. I think Abner's advice is going to probably be the best choice.

 

I am currently in a top-notch program there in Judaic studies, for which I am on a scholarship... no money at all being paid.

 

I should add, I also leave with an Israeli government teacher certification, a Rabbinics degree (highly respected in the Jewish world), kosher food supervention certification, and much more.

The staff includes very high level teachers, such as Rabbi Dr. Dovid Gottlieb Ph.D. in mathematical logic at Brandeis University,and former Professor of Philosophy at Johns Hopkins, and Rabbi Dr. Asher Wade as well.


I am VERY happy with all that I have been learning there (it's six days a week plus two evenings a week!) so that is not my concern.... the information is top notch. What i WOULD like is to get a degree from someplace else so that I can use it to get a MA from another institution without going through hoops to be accepted with this non accredited (by a recognized US body) degree.

Again, the teaching certification from the Israeli government, to me, sounds like it would be accepted for some large number of credits an a US college... do you think?

 

Ohr.edu is the one in Jerusalem, not the one in Brooklyn.

(they are affiliated, but not the same institution. there is also institutions in Canada, South Africa, and more...)

 

I will be getting a list from them about which schools have accepted their degrees recently. However, I'd still appreciate if you could offer any new input based on my last two posts.

Thanks!

 

At the end of the day their still lying about the accreditation

 

They have no lib arts do they?

 

I'm a bit confused. You ask about the school and then when you get a negative review you seem to defend the school. If you want to transfer the credits to TESC then I suggest that your best course of action is to ask TESC about their willingness to accept these credits. If they are willing to take the credits then it matters not one bit what we might think.

 

Thank You, Kizmet.

I just wanted to give a clear picture of the school- Once a poster told me to run because it's a waste of $12,000 a year, I thought it appropriate to clarify that I am not paying tuition at all... I guess if I was paying $12,000a year I'd be singing a different tune if my goal was to get an accredited degree and I wasn't.

Even if I never do get an accredited degree or and/or transferable credits from the program, I'd still stay, as I am very happy with the knowledge I am gaining... I just wanted to make sure that that was clear and fair for anyone stumbling across this thread on a goggle search.

 

OK, well I guess I'm glad that you feel like you're learning something but, like you said, for the benefit of others who might be doing a google search, you seem to be saying that since it's free you don't care if it's low quality education. However, I don't want any misunderstandings because it's possible that what you're almost saying is that if you had to pay any money at all and if you needed to rely on the validity of the degree then you wouldn't be so happy with this program. Is that right?

This brings into focus your original question regarding the transfer of credits to TESC. You seem to be saying that you don't really expect this will happen. Is that right?

 

What worries me about this school is the accreditation claims it makes that are untrue. That makes them seem millish, I might be wrong.

 

Before I keep putting my foot in my mouth, I'll speak to the registrar and update this thread with what happens.

In response to your question, IF i had gone here assuming I'd get a degree (I didn't) then I would be quite surprised and horrified if it the Bachelor's degree was "worthless." as being from a non accredited institution. But, as I seem to understand from the administrator of my program (who suggested I set up an appointment with the registrar), many students have been accepted into med and law schools as well as masters programs with the degree, and he will give me a list f where it has been accepted and who I could speak to (former students that went on for higher degrees)... so I'm assuming that

in any case,with a rigorous two year study program, with tests and a top-notch staff, it's definitely not a diploma mill!

and, what do you think of a "State of Israel Ministry of Education Teacher Certificate"? worth some amount of college credit as a recognized certification from a foreign government? I know that In Jewish day schools in the USA, having this certificate makes a job offer much more likely.

I'm sure that the credits they offer itself IS accepted in many AARTS accredited institutions should I transfer out to another one... I just realized that perhaps it is an idea to transfer out one semester before the program is over and then get an AARTS accredited degree...

Thank you for all your input!