De Sorbon 5Th Anniversary

I am C. de la Faide in charge of communication of the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon.

I want to inform you that this French private institution of Higher Education is celebrating its 5th anniversary.

I understand that some people in this forum doubt about the VAE (Validation des Acquis de l'Expérience) process and de Sorbon. Contrary to my predecessor, I want just to inform not to argue.

This year, once again, we had an intense scrutiny from the French authorities, which said (in French) officially: "On connaît bien cette école. Il reste que, juridiquement, Robert de Sorbon est dans son droit lorsqu’il délivre des certifications..."

Our students comes from 90+ countries and our degrees are more and more accepted by foreign governments and educational institutions.

C. de la Faide
www.sorbon.fr

 

I would suggest that anyone who is at all confused about sorbon read through the following thread as carefully as possible.

http://www.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=18499&highlight=sorbon

 

Some time ago I stumbled on to an article published in the Jeune Afrique, regarding Sorbon. I was curious what it had to say. After translating it, it appeared to be a retraction to an article published earlier regarding the legitimacy of this institution. I translated it using Babel Fish and copied the translation here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeune_Afrique

http://www.jeuneafrique.com/Article/ARTJAJA_2500_p104-105.xml1/-Droit-de-reponse-%C3%80-l?%C3%89cole-superieure-Robert-de-Sorbon.html

“The University Robert de Sorbon was defamed by an article of November 16, 2008 in Jeune Afrique. It raises the journalistic errors and following untruths  : 1) So-called “a gap in the law” concerning the higher educational establishments private French is completely false. Title III (that is to say not less than 18 articles) of Book VII of the code of State education is entirely devoted to them and in depth regulates the conditions of attribution of the certificates of private college education. Philosophy is summarized in the article L 151-6 (general principles) “higher education is free”. 2) Of course, it is not a question of one “swindles” coming from a higher establishment private French recorded exempted VAT with number of Siret and having more than four years years of existence. Our certificates of private college education can be allotted by a jury of Validation of the assets of experiment (VAE), composed of the titular professors of university of doctorates in the discipline. 3) It does not act, of course, at all of “illegal diplomas”, “oxymoronesque” conclusion of an article in addition deploring “a pseudo” - gap in the law  ! They are perfectly legal diplomas delivered by an establishment of private college education following the French legislation. Private college education being that which develops more in France. As said it the Gilles de Robien minister, “deprived, it is also state education… ”. 4) The university of Paris-I Pantheon-Sorbonne is not the only French university bearing the name, not protected, of “Sorbonne”, like known as in the article. The name “Sorbonne” is shared by step less than four French universities. The University Robert de Sorbon bears the name of the confessor of Saint Louis, which does not lend to confusion. 5) The procedure of the VAE (Validation of the assets of the experiment), created in 2002 by the government of Lionel Jospin, is completely justified when the years of experiment allow the accumulation of knowledge equal or higher than those of a university theoretical teaching. 6) The universities on line, without campus, are recognized, with the example of Cned (National centre of remote teaching), in France, and of Phoenix University, in the United States. The VAE, essentially even, does not require classes, but profits from knowledge of professors specialists all over the world. 7) While taking a three months deadline to make it examine by professors of university, the University Robert de Sorbon, which is not mysterious at all, follows to the letter the French legislation, which recognizes the existence and the validity of the private college education and the procedure of VAE. ” Clarence of Faide, council for the University Robert de Sorbon Note  : Of which act, and with our regrets for the unhappy formulations that this article contained.

 

always 'suspicious' when 1 or more people join and start posting positive things about something that others may consider dubious.

not that I am saying you are both connected, - well actually I am

 

VAE (validation of prior learning) appears to be a widely accepted process in France, provided that it's performed by a credible academic institution.

Robert de Sorbon appears to be selling unaccredited life-experience degrees. But it aggressively insists that it's different from the mills because... well, because it's French or something. It's never been deficient in Gallic attitude, that's for sure. (It's kind of ironic, since there's evidence that RdS is actually run from Sarasota, Florida.)

Discussions of VAE are always mixed together with discussions of RdS, with the obvious hope that if we can be persuaded to accept the former, then we will more inclined to uncritically embrace the latter along with it.

Here's an official page about VAE:

http://www.vae.gouv.fr/

Here's a newspaper story about the gentleman said to be RdS' Florida owner (with a nice photo of him):

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080823/ARTICLE/808230350/0/sports

 

Please see posted link on the French website.

http://www.enseignement-prive.info/nouvellerech.aspx

At the bottom of the page, enter Sorbon into the search engine next to the word "OK".

Recherche finale : Etablissement(s) nommé(s) « sorbon »

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86 La Trimouille Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon
Le Coudraye, 86290 La Trimouille
Tél. 0175007078

 

The following is posted at the top of the web page.

http://www.enseignement-prive.info/nouvellerech.aspx

Top of Page: L'Annuaire National Officiel de l'Enseignement Privé vous donne accès à tous les établissements privés d'enseignement catholique ou laïque de France selon 4 modes de recherche.

English Translation: L' Official National directory of l' Private education gives you access to all d' private establishments; catholic or laic teaching of France according to 4 modes of research.

 

S'il vous plait ouvrez la fenetre. Il ya une odeur fetide.

 

Respectfully Kizmet,

As I have shown, Sorbon is a legitimate provider of education in France, no matter if VAE is respected in the USA. That makes their degrees perfectly legal.

 

Of course, I wouldn't be posting this message if you REALLY didn't want to argue. Clearly you actually do want to argue. So now we've established that you don't really mean what you say. Care to go for strike three? (that's an American baseball thing. Better look it up)

 

From what I can see, De Sorbon is a private institution baring the name, and even claiming the legacy of the famous University of Paris. The school posts a picture of the French President. Maybe Nicolas Sarkozy did not see this, or maybe he was drunk (an inside joke, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxb0JHqzlA).

Now I may not understand this correctly but perhaps the people who are defending De Sorbon can inform me, is this school giving degrees without examinations or any classwork?

If it is allowed to get entire degrees based on VAE (Verification of Experience) than the French should get their act together.

 

As a point of information on the FrenchVAE

Answer to the question "If it is allowed to get entire degrees based on VAE (Verification of Experience) than the French should get their act together."

The answer is yes. Since 2002 the Law which applies to public and private universities allows French Universities to give full degrees through the VAE. (i.e. Work Experience).

The French Ministry of National Education states

Translation (Babelfish):
The V.A.E allows 'to obtain, entirely or partly, a diploma, a title or a certificate of professional qualification registered to the National directory of professional certifications (R.N.C.P.)

C de la Faide
www.sorbon.fr

 

As ZURICH said:
The French Ministry of National Education states

Translation (Babelfish):
The V.A.E allows to obtain, entirely or partly, a diploma, a title or a certificate of professional qualification registered to the National directory of professional certifications (R.N.C.P.)

Robert de Sorbon certificates are NOT registered on the National directory of professional certifications (R.N.C.P.).

They are not registered because Robert de Sorbon never submitted their certificates to the RNCP for review.

They did not submit them because they don't actually teach anything !

They cannot use the VAE as described in the law.

What Robert de sorbon CAN do is give out unaccredited private certificates to whoever they want for whatever reason they choose.
These certificates (not degrees) are legal in France as long as they don't concern regulated jobs (doctor, nurses...) and they don't use the names of university issued degrees: Baccalauréat, Licence, Mastère, Doctorat...

 

De Sorbon Delivers Higher Education Degrees

As you can see the phrase mentioned says:

The V.A.E allows to obtain, entirely or partly, a diploma, a title or a certificate of professional qualification registered to the National directory of professional certifications.

De Sorbon delivers Diploma like all public universities therefore it is not in the National Directory of Professional certifications.

C. De la Faide
www.sorbon.fr

 

You said previously:

you should make up your mind...

 

To Conclude

Dear friend, this quote is not from us, but from a public official of the French Ministry who recognizes publically our legitimity. Do you know better the French education system that this "haut fonctionnaire"?

Without offending some of our critics. It is fair to say that:

The Ecole Supérieure Robert de De Sorbon for 5 years operates legally in France.

Is authorized to grant degrees.

Have the right to use the VAE procedure.

I think it can conclude this thread with was about our 5th anniversary.


C de la Faide
www.sorbon.fr

 

OK

OK

OK -- but exactly what kind of degrees ?

For example, can Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon grant a license for undergraduate study, as the Sorbonne does ?

 

Thank you for acknowledging the above mentioned points.

FYI There not one Sorbonne in France but 4 Sorbonnes.

Paris I Panthéon-Sorbonne (public)
Paris III Sorbonne Nouvelle (public)
Paris IV Paris Sorbonne (public)
Paris V René Descartes (public)

We do not follow the "Bologna Declaration" (LMD) but the traditional 4,6,8, therefore we do not grant "Licence" which is BAC +3 , but Bachelor-Maîtrise (BAC + 4).

 

What you give out are private certificates with the following names:

-Associate
-Bachelor
-Ma, Ms
-Ph.D

You are allowed to use these names on your certificates because they have no relevance in the french educational system, they are not protected by any laws. If you were to use names like DEUG, Licence, Mastère, Doctorat... you would be closed down.

Oh no I totally agree with this person, He is saying that you are legally allowed to issue certificates NOT degrees or diplomas.

Because you are a private institution not accredited by the state, you can use whatever evaluation system you choose to award your unaccredited certificates. You could award them after a 5 question quiz or after payment of $50, you have absolutely no obligations.

 

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