MBA- Looking for NA program

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  1. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    My husband's bachelor degree will be from a NA college, and he is looking into ideas for his MBA. If you are attending or have attended a NA MBA program, we would like to hear about your experience. Also, if you ruled one out for some reason I would like to hear that too.


    Requirements:
    1. NA - not a mill - reputation must be good
    2. MBA title (not MS, iMBA, eMBA)
    3. 100% distance

    Considerations:
    1. Hotel / Hospitality / Restaurant / Tourism related concentration a plus
    2. No GMAT/GRE
    3. No thesis
    4. USA location

    Not a consideration:
    1. Cost
    2. Length of program
     
  2. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Wait, does that mean his requirement is specifically an NA school? Wouldn't an RA school that recognizes prior NA degrees be okay as well? They're rare, but not nonexistent.

    -=Steve=-
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Plus $100 per course for "required lecture notes", plus an average of $100 per course for textbooks. That's still on the low end, but that $4,500 claim is disingenuous, especially when applied it to their Bachelor's programs, where 40 courses means $4,000 additional in fees for "required lecture notes". I mean, come on.

    -=Steve=-
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'd love to hear--because no one has ever been able to establish it, why getting a degree from an NA school is a good idea compared to the many RA alternatives available, especially for the MBA. I'm sure a little bit of searching would find a school (a) as cheap, (b) as good (or better), (c) as flexible, and (d) likely to accept an NA bachelor's. (Even if their literature doesn't say this, one should ask--negotiate!)

    Strange.
     
  6. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Hi Cookderosa,

    I concur with dl mba. The Aspen MBA is a great deal at $4,500.00. I think they just started charging $100.00 for lecture notes (it is $75.00 for current students). At present, the MBA program only has two or three lecture notes for for the whole 10 or 11 class program. Still, a damn good deal. As far as books, I buy them all from abebooks.com I buy the international editions, so I could purchase a $160.00 - $170.00 book for $25.00 to $35.00. I am about halfway through the MBA program, and find it very satisfying, as well as challenging. Aspen has a well established history, and I believe they were the first ones to offer a 100% DL MBA. Feel free to ask me any questions. You are also welcome to PM as well.

    Also, In case you are wondering, I prefer the online independent mode. You get 8 weeks to complete eight modules, with an additional two weeks if necessary. I like the independent mode because I do not have to sign in at certain times (blackboards), and I work at my own pace.

    See ya,
    Abner :)
     
  7. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    >>

    Of course that would be fine. I thought it would be easier for now to create a list of good NA schools since his bachelor degree is NA. If a college pops up that fits his needs, and is RA, that's great. However, my hubby's job doesn't care about NA/RA but it does have to be "accredited" nationally at a minimum. RA isn't a priority for him like it is for me.
    So, if you know of any RA programs, please feel free to shout out!
     
  8. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    >>

    First, I let me preface my answer by saying that I was not asking general RA/NA info. I had a specific question for a specific situation. Maybe we could start another thread and discuss that issue?

    In my hubby's case, it's only strange if you don't understand being a chef.... but, since you asked, it's a good idea because he doesn't want to negotiate. I'll elaborate since it's relevant. For his bachelor degree, he applied ($) sent transcripts ($) and negotiated with Thomas Edison, Excelsior, and Charter Oak Colleges. This process took him 8 months. 8 months of concurrent acceptance letters, followed by written transcript request forms, followed by transcript evaluations, followed by denial of credit letters. At the end of the time, not one of those three took his NA credits from his associate degree. (see my intro- we went to the same school- we had the same problem- we both went to the Culinary Institute of America before it was RA....but you should know there were no RA culinary schools in 1988)

    Anyway, A lot of effort for no results. Maybe he could have kept looking- maybe there was someone somewhere that would do it. Or not. In the end, he found a program (brand new) with a good reputation in our industry that started him off as a junior. So, he is very pleased with his industry-specific courses, and he isn't starting from scratch. He has 20 years progressive management experience in his field, and he LOVES his classes! I don't know that he would be so delighted with a BSBA. He earned 60 credits the first time he went to school, and now he only has to earn 60 more = 120. Perfect fit. So it's a different road. <shrug> It's actually a more practical road with all things considered. Applied professional degrees really serve career trades very well.

    Our industry wants accredited degrees and certification. The number of certified executive chefs with bachelor degrees is less than 20%. My husband's bachelor degree already propels him to the upper fifth of the pile.
    This has put him on a NA track rather than a RA track. It's that simple.

    So, if you happen to know of RA MBAs that take NA credits that would be awesome, and certainly worth contributing to the thread! Thanks!!
     
  9. turtle

    turtle New Member


    http://www.mba.uoguelph.ca/

    I am sure that U of G will welcome your husband and his credentials.

    A top tier University that is very definitely RA equivalent.
     
  10. siersema

    siersema Active Member

    Not all courses require these notes. I finished the entire MS IT and half the MBA - IM and have not had to pay for notes yet. It's possible something changed since I started.

    Also, I purchase most of my books used so it's rare to have to pay $100 for books, yes I know they average $100 for books on their website in an effort to help show the student the true total cost of the program and not give an overly optimistic view on the price.

    With very few exceptions schools don't include books, how was Aspen's lack of including them within their total tuition price disingenuous? In addition I'm not sure how you get 40 courses? Aspen's Bachelor's programs are for students that have already accumulated a minimum of 60 credit hours. Disingenuous indeed.


    cookderosa.. sorry for going off topic. I of course support dl_mba's suggestion of Aspen if an NA school is what your husband is looking for.
     
  11. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Books aren't, so long as you can get them from a third party provider. It as the "required lecture notes" that got me. Granted that your experience isn't that they're requires in graduate programs. What about Bachelor's programs?

    Well, then twenty. Fewer potential sets of lecture note to buy, but also means that $4,500 is for half a Bachelor's, not a whole one.

    I'm not saying that they're no good, I've heard a lot of people who are happy with them. I'm also not saying that they're pretending to be cheap when they're really super expensive, as I realize that even if there really are all these fees that they're still pretty inexpensive. I'm just saying that they get a lot of attention with this $4,500 figure and that it deserves a big asterisk next to it.

    -=Steve=-
     
  13. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    >>

    Thank you turtle! That looks exciting! You can pm me if you like, but I am wondering more about your experience there. Anything you are willing to share? Thanks.
     
  14. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

  15. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef


    Hey, no problem. I also had a couple PMs for Aspen. I think it's worth looking into! Thanks!
     
  16. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

  17. turtle

    turtle New Member

    The University of Guelph is a top ranked Canadian university. The program they offer requires a series of residential stays and then some very intense on line work. The campus is exceptional and the town of Guelph is very inviting.

    As you can see from my information line I have completed an MA from Guelph and it was in distance mode. The program is cohort based so you start with and continue the program with the same group. My experience with Columbia Southern is in an individual study mode where I interact with the computer and the text. Frankly the cohort model is much more stimulating.

    Althought the MBA was not my line of study many of the students joined the courses from the Leadership program. I think you would find the program challenging and very rewarding.

    The conversion advantage you would have enjoyed a while ago is gone now that our dollars are at par but the experience is worth it.
     
  18. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    >>


    Thanks, I showed this to my husband last night and he is going to look into it. His program now is a cohort model like you speak of. There is a carousel of classes being offered one at a time. Everyone takes them- so you have people getting off (graduating) and getting on (starting) but ultimately you are with the same group. My husband speaks highly of this style! So that is a major plus.
    Slightly off topic, we have family in Maine that we visit each year, so I think we might like to visit the campus on our way home for fun.
    Thanks everyone!
    Please keep the ideas coming!
     
  19. dlady

    dlady Active Member

    Hi cookdersa:

    I’m the director of Aspen’s Alumni Association, something new that we have been working on this year and that is now getting started. The great thing about Aspen is that after graduation, there is a large community of people that you get introduced to, your fellow alumni. This is turning out to be very cool, as many alumni are well placed business people, and they all are engaging. Just another benefit to a school with a decent reputation.

    I have 2 masters degree’s from Aspen and they serve me very well.

    DEL
     
  20. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

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    Oh great! That's good to know, thank you!
     

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