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    American Liberty University

    What do you guys think of American Liberty University , is it recognised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peng88 View Post
    What do you guys think of American Liberty University, is it recognised?
    If you mean this place, they claim to be state licensed by Alabama, which is worthless even if it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    If you mean this place, they claim to be state licensed by Alabama, which is worthless even if it's true.

    -=Steve=-
    I think that they were recently claiming to be in Billings Montana too. But now it seems that they are planting themselves in Fullerton California.

    The California BPPVE is temporarily defunct and have taken down their directory. But the state Employment Development Department has this for American Liberty :

    http://www.labormarketinfo.edd.ca.go...rea=0604000059

    Employer Name:AMERICAN LIBERTY UNIVERSITY

    Business Description:SCHOOLS-UNIVERSITIES & COLLEGES ACADEMIC

    Employer Address:1400 N HARBOR BLVD # 120
    FULLERTON, CA 92835-4110
    Map This Address

    Mailing Address:N/A

    Contact: KEVIN SOLTANI, PRESIDENT
    Telephone: 714-449-9998
    Website: Not Listed

    Employer Size Class: 1-4 Employees

    Industry Description: Colleges and Universities (NAICS code: 611310)
    But despite only having 1-4 employees, American Liberty is nothing if not ambitious.

    American Liberty University (ALU) combines the breadth and scope of a world-class research.The ALU consists of the College of Health Sciences (Department of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine, Department of Nutrition and Herbal Medicine, Department of Chiropractic Science, Department of Nursing , Department of Physical Therapy and Department of Psychology ), College of Business Administration , College of Fine Arts, College of Engineering and College of Computer Science and Technology, College of Theology and School of English.

    American Liberty University provides online classes, on-campus class, distance studies, weekend classes, group study and seminar. You can earn your Bachelor's, Master's, Doctorate and Ph.D. in any your choice of fields.

    Click on American Liberty University California or American Liberty University of Alabama to fill out our online application. American Liberty University philosophy and continuing mission is to produce highly trained graduates who embody the finest principles of ethical professionalism.

    ALU is located in other countries such as, England, Greece, S. Korea, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, and United Arab Emirates.
    http://www.aluniversity.edu

    Their School of English obviously needs upgrading.

    And I notice that they offer "degrees" in subjects (nursing , acupuncture, chiropractic, engineering , psychology , physical therapy ) that are regulated by law here in the United States. It's hard to imagine that an American Liberty "degree" would qualify anyone to practice in these fields and practicing without a license could be a criminal offense.

    Not only is this thing academically doubtful, it could very well be dangerous both to its customers/"graduates" and to their would-be patients and clients.

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    Thank you Bill Dayson for replying. Your insight into this institution will save a lot of hassle, sweat and tears. It seems to me that it may just be another fly by night operation on the prowl for unsuspecting onlookers.

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    Soltani incorporated them in California in 1999 and in Alabama in March 2001.

    Their so-called move from California to Alabama brings to mind Jess Unruh's comment when California Superintendent of Public Instruction Max Rafferty moved from California to Alabama, "thereby raising the average level of intelligence in both states."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    If you mean this place, they claim to be state licensed by Alabama, which is worthless even if it's true.

    -=Steve=-
    They also still claim approval by the California Bureau of Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education . Wonder how long it'll take to get that updated. Or maybe the California legislature and the governator will find some way to create a new BPPVE (maybe even one with enough funding to have some teeth) relatively quick-like. Who knows?
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    Can Soltani be trusted as the owner of the institution?

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    For acupuncture, most states require that you have taken the NCCAOM licensing exam and to do that you have to have gone to a school that's accredited by the ACAOM. And lo and behold, this school isn't accredited and is not in candidate status for accreditation. So if you went there and wanted to practice you'd have to choose either a state that doesn't license acupuncturists or jump through hoops to prove you know your stuff (assuming you really do).

    Here's a telling sign:
    From their website:
    LICENSES/CREDENTIALS:
    If licensing, certification or credentialing by a public or private agency or professional association is the objective of the student, we recommend that the applicant check with the authority which offers the recognition before enrolling in the University
    In other words, they're telling you "We can't guarantee which states you can work in" unlike the schools that are accredited.
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    I watched the video, and saw their campus buildings are huge. I don't know if they just rent only a small office in that building. Just like my friend, who open a business...and has an office mailing address. But that office mailing address leads to a Postal Office Box.

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    My response today to an overseas inquiry about American Liberty University

    I'm not very familiar with ALU, but from the examples of poor writing on the website, I would judge it as a non-standard institution of higher learning. Moreover, it offers so many different degree programs that it seems unlikely that the quality of the scholarship is high.

    The University claims to be state-approved in Alabama, which probably means that is operating legally and providing some value to it's students. However, in the States, regional accreditation is very important and ALU has not achieved it, which means those degrees are academically worthless here in the States. You can read more about it at this thread:

    American Liberty University

    I'm sympathetic toward small, less expensive academic institutions without regional accreditation, but they are not useful for obtaining academic credentials. (Academic freedom here in the States is a messy business, where schools can operate legally and provide some good value to students, but not be recognized as "academically legitimate".) Those schools are certainly non-standard and possibly substandard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peng88 View Post
    What do you guys think of American Liberty University , is it recognised?

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    Hello Peng. The council for higher education accreditation has a database of college and universities that are accredited in the United States and abroad.

    "The Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) database lists more than 7,600 degree-granting and non-degree-granting institutions and more than 18,700 programs that are accredited by United States accrediting organizations that have been recognized either by CHEA or by the United States Department of Education (USDE) or both.

    I did a search on the Chea website and found no listing for American Liberty University . I do encourage caution. If you are interested in finding a distance learning program offered by an college or university that meets your needs, we'll be glad to help.

    http://chea.org/search/default.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wagner View Post
    However, in the States, regional accreditation is very important and ALU has not achieved it, which means those degrees are academically worthless here in the States.
    Just to qualify the italicized words above based on some feedback... The unaccredited degree may not be academically worthless in the sense that it prepares one to teach in another discipline with respect to subject matter expertise. However, the unaccredited degree is nonstandard by definition, which substantially diminishes its value in the eyes of those unwilling or unable to assess it.
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    The University claims to be state-approved in Alabama, which probably means that is operating legally and providing some value to it's students.
    But what if the claim is untrue?

    According to ALU's website:
    American Liberty University is Licensed and Approved by the State of Alabama Department of Postsecondary Education.
    However, American Liberty University does not appear on the ADPE's current list of licensed schools.

    I suspect that ALU may have been licensed in Alabama at one time. However, Alabama recently toughened its licensing rules, and has denied relicensure to many unaccredited institutions. Might want to check with ADPE to see if ALU's claims regarding Alabama licensure are in fact valid.
    Last edited by CalDog; 04-10-2009 at 09:51 AM.

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    American Liberty University is currently operating in Malaysia through its "affiliated campus". Not a good school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liposuctionguide View Post
    American Liberty University is currently operating in Malaysia through its "affiliated campus". Not a good school.
    Do you give discounts for liposuction? :D

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    Hi Everyone,

    New to the forum. Would really appreciate knowing if this Unversity IS valid to issue BA's for Oriental Medicine in the Unitied Kingdom?

    From what I have seen in this thread, there are questions regarding it's validity in the US.

    I have a friend who is thinking of taking a 3 year course in Oriental Medicine for a BA here in London from this establishment.

    If they could be giving up 3 years of their life, not to mention the money, on a BA that will not be recognised, I would really like to help her from such a monumental mistake.

    Any help is appreciated.
    Tia,
    Mark

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