Woman found guilty of posing as a psychologist

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  1. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

  2. Lajazz947

    Lajazz947 New Member

    Question

    I wonder if any of her therapy clients were called to testify and asked whether or not she actually helped them or not?

    Not that it makes it ligit, just a question.

    Sometimes the best educated therapists are just lousy realists but very book and theory smart.

    This woman sure could empathize with a lot of peoples issues and that is key to therapy
    ( according to my cousin who is a legit therapist )

    Now..............was she any good as a stripper : )
     
  3. Lajazz947

    Lajazz947 New Member

    I just read the second article

    It seemed like she helped lots of people. Again, not making the case but for the prosecutor to compare this with a " Surgeon practicing without a medical license " is really stretching it.

    Some of her clients said she did what she got paid for , listening and giving advice.

    This is very interesting.

    Could really set some standards and precedents.
     
  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    One of the best.....not that I would know anything about stuff like that. :p
     
  5. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    From the article: "During her trial, Wightman had argued that her notoriety as the stripper Lady Cheyenne...prevented her from getting a doctoral degree"

    Hmmm. If I were on a doctoral admissions committee and saw a resume that said, "Ecdysiast," I'd certainly be inclined to recommend acceptance . . . especially with a reference letter from Bruce ("One of the best...").

    John Bear, who remembers when Lily St. Cyr came to
    Portland with her bubble bath act, and a bunch of us psychology
    students at Reed decided it was time for some field research
     
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  6. Zaya

    Zaya New Member

    Hmmmmmm


    It tells a lot about being a psychologist :confused: .
     
  7. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    On the other hand ...

    ... perhaps it says more about the public's misinformation about professional psychology?

    There have been many more cases of various charlatans posing as physicians. Statistics tells us that a fair number of those "patients" probably appeared to benefit by the faux treatment.

    Still, no one questions the underlying integrity of medicine because of the base rate of natural remission giving the impression of "success" in treatment.

    People are clinging to the outdated and mistaken impression that psychology is just about "listening and giving advice." Rather, the research is well established (and growing) that a properly trained psychologist can help sufferers of a myriad of mental illnesses.

    Why does it seem that the increasing number of drug related "theraputic misadventures" being publicized -- especially the boom in prescribing psychotropic meds "off label" (for reasons the medications were not approved for use) -- don't prompt the sort of blanket dismissals of the profession that this one incident is doing for psychology here?

    Just wondering ...
     
  8. Zaya

    Zaya New Member

    ok

    Psychologist try hard to sell, yes I said sell, their discipline as science (i.e. evidence based). I rather see a psychiatrist over a psychologist anytime. At least the former has good science behind it.
     
  9. Zaya

    Zaya New Member

    Oh I almost forgot

    Last time I checked Capella University does not have the “Clinical-forensic psychology” specialization.

    “The PsyD specialization in clinical psychology provides learners with comprehensive clinical training including psychopathology, psychological testing, and psychotherapy. Because this area is designed to prepare learners for state licensure eligibility as a clinical psychologist,* it is a very rigorous program that requires online course work, residency, and field training experiences. Doctoral graduates typically pursue careers as independent clinical psychologists, but may also pursue careers in teaching, research, program administration, or consulting. “
     
  10. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    Wow ... all full of self-righteous indignation

    Given the stunning ignorance of your "I'd choose a science-based psychiatrist over a psychologist any day" I don't expect you'll be satisfied with what you are about to hear.

    But anyone interested in facts:

    Capella reconfigured the clinical psychology program from a PhD to a PsyD during my matriculation. Originally the clinical PhD was offered with a choice of the optional emphases: Addictions, Geriatrics, Forensic, or Clinical Supervision.

    My transcript reads: Doctor of Philosophy, Specialization: Clinical Psychology, Forensic Psychology.

    In any case, Zaya, best of luck with accessing your scientifically based psychiatric evaluation which, after a 10 - 15 minute evaluation, will result in you being given a prescription for whatever medication the pharmaceutical company rep's most recently pitched while empirically wining and dining the psychiatrist!
     
  11. Zaya

    Zaya New Member

    Thank you Doc

    You are too kind:D
     
  12. raristud2

    raristud2 New Member


    Remember that psychology is a huge field. Which area of psychology that psychologists can be employed in tries to hard sell? Environmental, Medical, Cognitive, Clinical, Psychopharmacology, Biological, Industrial, Educational, School, Neuro Psychology, Forensic Psychology, Internet Psychology, Applied Psychology, Military Psychology, Child Psychology, Sports Psychology, Developmental Psychology, Social Psychology, Space Psychology, Behavioral Psychology, Cancer Psychology, Health Psychology, Political Psychology, Systems Neuroscience ( Subfield of Psychology and Neurology ), NeuroPsychiatry ( Subfield of Psychology, Psychiatry and Neuroscience ), Behavioral Neurology ( Subfield of Psychology and Neurology ) and ....ect.

    Psychology and Psychiatry complement each other. They complement each others "good science" based on quantitative research ( evidence based ) and collaboration.
     
  13. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    In all fairness, I firmly believe there is a place for both psychiatry and psychology. On a daily basis, I deal with people who either couldn't function in society without prescription psych meds, or I have to temporarily remove them from society because they either didn't take their psych meds, the meds weren't balanced, or they need to be prescribed psych meds.

    OTOH, I also believe psychologists can do a world of good for many people who don't need drug therapy. As I mentioned in the Off Topic forum, I now see a chiropractor, in addition to my physician. The chiropractor has worked wonders with my neck problem, but I wouldn't book an appointment with him if I thought I had strep throat.
     
  14. raristud2

    raristud2 New Member

    Have any of you tried chocolate therapy? "Only the best chocolate is used in the sessions, the psychologists assured. Dark Belgian, milk and white chocolate as well as various filling substances all go into making the creations that express the patients’ thoughts and feelings" It better be if their dollars are paying for these expensive candy sessions. I guess we can call chocolate therapy a subfield of Candy Psychology. :D

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/100742
     
  15. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

  16. PatsFan

    PatsFan New Member

    Not if you have known as many psychiatrists as I have over the years. Many of them really do psychopharmacology better than they do psychotherapy. There are some really good master's prepared therapists, as well.
     
  17. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Psychiatrists are medical doctors who are prepared by their education and training to prescribe drugs for mental illnesses. Psychologists are educated and trained at the doctoral level to help people talk about their problems. Counselors are master's-prepared individuals who can help you talk about your problems.

    NB: There are a few states, and Jimmy Clifton has a list thereof, where psychologists can be master's qualified. There are also a few states where a psychologist with a post-doctoral master's in psychopharmacology, may prescribe psychotropic meds. Psychologists are also prepared to administer psychological testing and measurement.
     
  18. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Are you saying that Capella University offered the PhD in Forensic Psychology once upon a time, but that it has since been abolished? I could not find their PhD in Forensic Psychology, and I am highly surprised.
     
  19. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Apparently, from the article, it seemed she had a master's in counseling psychology from Lesley College and was working on a doctorate from Massachusetts School of Professional Psychology. Would a master's in counseling psychology condidered adequate credential to sit for the state licensure exam to be a counselor?
     
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  20. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Psychiatrists are theoretically qualified to do both psychopharmacology and psychotherapy. However, there are two things going on. First, med school doesn't really teach you very much about how to provide psychotherapy. Second, which do you think pays more per hour: one therapy session or four 15-minute med consults?
     

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