Become an Engineer recognized by the VAE

During my reading about engineering bodies, societies in France UK etc and in my previous post I found the below information


Become an Engineer recognized by the VAE

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The SNIPF belong to CNISF, the main French engineering body.
CNISF is a National Member in FIANI.

Just like IEE, IIE - IET are Members in UK EC

SNPF is Accredited by COFRAC.

 

Without a knowledge of the French language and French practices, it's hard to understand what this means. My guess is that you can obtain some kind of engineering license or certificate in France, even if you do not have a formal engineering degree.

If so, then some (not all) US states have comparable policies. In some states, it is possible to obtain an Professional Engineer's license without an engineering degree; you just need extra work experience to qualify for the licensing exams. It isn't extremely common, but it does happen.

 

Is there a website/publication somewhere that lists states that will let you take the PE exam without an ABET engineering degree? I've been trying to find one.

 

One can't use Diploma Mill degree but if its a recognized degree
without ABET accreditation then I know

State of TX is one of them.

Last time I checked it was in 2003 - the only requirement was

ABET + $ years experience

Recognized Degree non ABET accredited + 8 years of Experience.


Learner

 

It is difficult to get comprehensive, up-to-date information on licensing practices nationwide. The problem is that there are 50+ state and territorial boards, their rules are complex, and constantly subject to change.

NSPE published a detailed summary of licensure laws in 2004. But it costs $162.50 for non-members.

NCEES conducted a survey of board licensing requirements in 2005. The results are incomplete, because not all states responded, but you can see most states' responses for different kinds of degrees under questions E2 to E7.

You could also try the state summaries at PPI.

Be sure to verify anything that you read at the NCEES, NSPE, or PPI sites. Their information is second-hand, and may be incorrect, incomplete, or out-of-date. You need to double-check it with the appropriate state board directly.

In California, it is possible to qualify for the PE exam after six years of documented experience under PEs, even with no college degree of any kind.

 

Sitting for the PE Exam

There is a world of difference between sitting for the PE exam and passing it... I don't recall any state granting admission to the Principles and Practices Exam without prior passing the Fundamentals of Engineering Exam.

Once upon a time ABET used to track the pass rate of the FE exam with a break down of the rate for ABET program graduates vs Non-ABET program grads. If I recall, they quit publishing it several years ago. Lindberg's site PPI2Pass used to archive the results. Non-ABET participants always had lower pass rates.

For the Principles and Practice exam, the pass rate dropped like a rock in water for those not passing the first time. Bottom line, if you don't beat the 50-60% odds of passing it the first time, don't expect the odds to improve!

Dick

 

Re: Sitting for the PE Exam

The vast majority of PEs do take the FE exam first. However, it is possible to get an FE exam waiver in certain states. First, some states will grant an FE waiver for engineering PhDs (and I believe NCEES now recommends this policy). Second, some states will grant an FE waiver for a licensed PEng from Canada (and NCEES is seriously looking at this policy). Finally, some states will waive the FE exam for engineers with many years (usually 10-20) of professional experience.

For whatever reason, the FE pass rates for non-ABET grads are no longer available. But I'm sure the same pattern holds..

It still does. This is the usual pattern for any licensing exam.

 

Recognition of Incorporated Engineer Professional Qualifications within the European

The European Commission has issued Directives for ‘fast-track' admission to the profession in EU Member States. UK engineering professional qualifications that are recognised under the Directives are CEng, IEng and EngTech. Any engineer in a Member State country can apply to another Member State to have their status recognised, with a view to access to practise as a professional engineer.

 

I looked at FEANI and couldn't find France as a National member. Is France in or not with FEANI?

 

Only 22 of the 25 EU member countries are National members. The three countries without National member status are Latvia, Lithuania, and ... France.

mintaru

 

Society of Professional Engineers UK cosmetics to Web site

http://www.professionalengineers-uk.org/index.htm

The new look of Web site for Society of Professional Engineers UK

On the publications tab
for view or download a PDF publication of SPE UK published quarterly.

 

And its still that way.