Horsing around at Breyer State

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Oh, what a load of crap.

    I spent about 5 years on the PD Mounted Unit, so I like to think I know just a bit about horses, having spent many more waking hours with equines than with my wife during that time (we worked different shifts).

    The only way you learn about horses is by working with them, hands-on. Although the target audience here is most likely experienced horse people that want "validation" of their experience (which would be relatively harmless), Breyer State is inviting disaster by advertising a totally online degree in Equine Studies. Someone who has never been around a real horse that "earns" this degree will be totally unprepared to deal with a 1000lb+ animal that can seriously injure or kill you if handle it the wrong way.

    What I want to see are the course materials for "Dressage: Foundation for All Riding Disciplines". Better yet, I want to see someone who's never been on a horse attempt Dressage after completing that course. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bruse I 100% agree with you, for argument I will poiint out that
    I tried the same logic with on line degrees in nursing.
    What I learned was that these degrees are for already nurse practitioners, RN's or LVN vocational nurses.

    Is it posible to have an higher degree in Equine Studies for people who are practitioners in this field?
    And not from this BSU but real school such as UC Davis etc.


    Learner
     
  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    There are many legitimately accredited schools that offer degrees in Equine Studies (or closely related fields). However, as far as I know, they all contain a significant practical component, as they should.

    As much as I wouldn't want a nurse with no clinical experience caring for me, neither would I want a Breyer State Equine Studies "graduate", with no practical experience, attempting to teach my daughter how to ride a horse.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Not "nurse practitioners." Nurse practitioners are advanced practice nurses, licensed at a higher level than RNs. They hold master's degrees, and are licensed to practice in fields like Anethestist, Midwife, Family, Adult, Gerontology, etc. I think yo meant "practicing nurses."
     
  6. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Wrong patois.
     
  7. Deb

    Deb New Member

    That has always been a problem in the horse business - finding someone who knows their stuff and can each it. I have some new neighbors that have no idea about horses so they buy four horses and hire a "trainer" to teach them and the horses. I watched her trying to teach a week old foal to lead - and had to leave before I punched her! She had a 13 year old on a greenbroke warmblood with a mechanical hackamore - with no chin chain.

    I have taken my mule for dressage lessons with someone who advertised having all kind of experienced teacher, all kind of medals and training and it was evident after ten minutes that she couldn't teach!

    I'm not sure what the answer is. The degrees with partical experience are a help but somethings trainers can't teach and teachers can't train.
     
  8. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Hopefully, legitimately accredited programs won't graduate people who can't train or teach.

    A big problem in the horse business is that there are no universal standards. If one wants to call themselves a riding instructor in Massachusetts, you only need to pass a written test that anyone who watches a John Lyons video could probably pass.

    We once had a visitor to our stables who went on and on about how great a rider she was, how many blue ribbons she had, etc. I had my horse in the cross ties, and she asked to try my saddle (a M1928 McClellan). After watching her flounder for about 2 minutes, it was obvious to me she had no idea how to properly mount a horse.
     
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Bruce
    Nor would I want a Breyer grad to teach anyone anything. I thought it all silly because ...well...Breyer is silly.
     
  10. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    _______________________________________
    Dear New Student

    On behalf of President Flarey and all the gang here at the Breyer State University Stables, I'd like to welcome you to our on-line degree in equine studies. As soon as your credit card payment clears, we will be sending you Module One, consisting of three boxes .

    Box One
    Box one contains a Trailmaster Inflatable saddle (with "Ride Number" technology), complete with fine plastic bits, chains, hackamores, and stirrups.

    Box Two
    Box two (it is the "big" box) contains one (1) horse. Please let us choose which kind. We guarantee it will be in good health, and no more than 25 years old.

    Box Three
    This is your Horsey Sanitation Module, consisting of a very large dustpan, a sturdy push broom, and a roll of extra-strong plastic bags.

    Instructions
    Install the contents of Box One on Box Two. Ride three times around block. As proof of your having done this, mail us a plastic bag from Box Three, and we will mail you your diploma, guaranteed to be of equivalent value.

    Sincerely,
    The Breyer State Equine Program
    "Tack 'R' Us"
     
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  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

  12. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Good point. :cool:
     
  13. eckert16

    eckert16 New Member

    I was surfing this morning, and found this realationship:
    http://www.study-online.net/colleges-universities/809.html

    About Breyer State University

    Breyer State University is an official affiliate of the University of Science, Arts & Technology, located in and legally chartered by the government of Montserrat, British West Indies. Graduates receive their degrees from Breyer State University and have the added advantage of receiving their degrees under the legal charter of the government of Montserrat.

    Breyer State University has been granted institutional accreditation by the Central States Consortium of Colleges and Schools. This accreditation means that after a comprehensive review of all standards, by an outside team of surveyors, Breyer State University was found to be in full compliance. Institutional approval means that all curriculums, programs, and courses are accredited. Breyer State University received a 5-year accreditation, until 2007.

    A fully accredited member of the Accreditation Governing Commission-USA and International Commission For Higher Education.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Breyer State is a very poor choice to get an academic degree. It is also a poor choice to buy a degree mill diploma. There are much cheaper choices if one just wants a degree mill diploma.
     
  15. deanhughson

    deanhughson New Member

    montserrat

    Montserrat, being part of UK, asked the UK to submit WHO status for them but due to the General Medical Council of Englands ruling that the school isn't recognized (including Breyer) the degree is basically worthless. The school is not open incidentally at this time on the island.
     
  16. Kaboom

    Kaboom New Member

    Check out this site: http://www.aihcp.org/csccs.htm



     
  17. eckert16

    eckert16 New Member

    At first appearance, I was starting to get worried about MDs. ... would I have to start asking them, did you or any of your staff get their medical degree from Breyer State? as a means to protect myself from such a school.
    Glad to see WHO and UK checking things out.
     

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