UK recognised bodies

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  1. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    EXPLANATORY NOTE
    (This note is not part of the Order)
    The Education (Recognised Bodies) (England) Order 2003 (the “2003 Order”) lists all of the
    bodies appearing to the Secretary of State to be recognised bodies. Recognised bodies are bodies
    which fall within either section 214(2)(a) or (b) of the Education Reform Act 1988 (the “1988
    Act”). Such bodies are either:
    (a) universities, colleges or other bodies authorised by Royal Charter or by or under Act of
    Parliament to grant degrees; or
    (b) bodies which are for the time being permitted by any body falling within (a) to act on its
    behalf in the granting of degrees.
    Section 214 of the 1988 Act makes it an offence for any person to grant, offer to grant or issue any
    invitation relating to any award which is not a recognised award but which may be taken to be an
    award granted or to be granted by a United Kingdom institution and is either described as a degree
    or may reasonably be taken to be a degree.
    “Recognised awards” include awards granted or to be granted by a recognised body. Any body
    listed in the 2003 Order is conclusively presumed to be a recognised body for the purposes of
    section 214.
    This Order amends the 2003 Order so as to update the list of bodies that contained in the Schedule
    to that Order. A number of bodies are omitted from the Schedule, as they no longer have degree
    awarding powers or have merged with other bodies. This Order also adds a number of new bodies
    to the Schedule, as these bodies now appear to the Secretary of State to fall within either (a) or (b)
    above. A number of minor amendments have also been made to the Schedule to take account of
    name changes since the 2003 Order was made.
    A full Regulatory Impact Assessment has not been prepared for this instrument as it has no impact
    on the costs of business or charities.
     
  3. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    And why, yet again, are we complicating this?

    I thought that what we learn starting on this web page, tempered and advised by what we also learn on this web page and this web page, is pretty much all that pretty much anyone needs to know about "UK recognised bodies" and/or the degrees, diplomas, certificates and other credentials awarded/granted thereby.

    No? Am I missing something?
     
  4. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

    Basically, yes - the Dfes website contains the list of recognised bodies.

    My original post was intended merely to point out that there had been some recent changes, in case anyone was relying on earlier or cached copies.
     
  5. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    As well as a list of all changes made thereto; and which list of changes is the second of the three links in my post, above. Looking at your PDF file, and the page to which I linked, I see all the same information, but just in a different order.

    You mean the changes that are on the second of the three links in my post, above? Looking at your PDF file, and the page to which I linked, I see all the same information, but just in a different order.

    So now we're worrying about people's browser cache settings; and posting links to updated pages just in case someone out there has adjusted said settings wrongly?

    I'm sorry, but I just don't want readers misled.

    The place to discover whether a UK insitution of higher learning is "recognized" or "listed" -- which is roughly the equivalent of what, in the US, would be accredited by an agency recognized by the US Secretary of Education, or approved by the US Department of Education (USDE) and/or its Council on Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) -- was, and remains, the DFES web site.

    Sending the reader to a legalistic and potentially confusing Office of Public Sector Information PDF document which publishes an order by the Secretary of State for Education and Skills in a thread entitled, simply, "UK recognised bodies", without also explaining in your thread-starting post what the heck you were doing; and then insisting when challenged that your link is better than the correct one provided in said challenge, can do nothing but mislead.

    I know that wasn't your intention, so don't get all upset with me for pointing it out. I'm merely saying that we must be careful around here that the information we're providing is complete, accurate, properly explained, and not provided in a better, more authoritative, and more continually useful way somewhere else.

    The DFES web site is duty-bound to reflect the orders of the Secretary of State for Education and Skills more or less immedately. And it has. It contains the one and only official list of "UK recognised bodies"; and steering readers who may not understand all the subtleties of this situation to a web site (or, in this case, worse, a PDF file) that isn't really where anyone should ever be looking for the official list of "UK recognizes bodies" without at least explaining that it's a list of the changes to said one and only official list of "UK recognised bodies" is just askin' for trouble; for someone to get confused.

    So, Ian... next time, please at least be really clear in your thread-starting post -- and it the thread's title -- what you're doing. Okay? It's a good think you tried to do, though. Don't get me wrong. At least now everyone knows there have been changes. All I'm saying is that everyone should always go to this web page to see precisely what are those changes.

    Thanks, though... both for what you were trying to do, and for your patience and understanding with the refinements I've suggested.


    And as long as I'm in this mode, I might as well cover: Lerner, I can see that your post was sort of an attempt to explain what Ian was doing. Good impulse... and thanks for that. But please remember, as I've pointed-out before, to explain yourself (what you're doing) in your post (in this case, why you copied and pasted what you did into this thread); and to be very clear which words in your post are yours, and which are the words of someone else (or are the words of some official document or article or something... whatever it is you're copying and pasting). Just a friendly reminder. And thanks to you, too, for your patience and understand with my refinement suggestions.


    Good work, you guys! Thanks!!!
     
  6. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

    Bit of a storm in a teacup really.

    The link I posted was to the legislation that actually amended the list to which you point. I.e, the primary source.
     
  7. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Understood. And I repeat, good work. All's well that ends well, and all that kinda' stuff.
     

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