Slm/kwu

How does Kennedy-Western manages for in students to receive federal financial aid in the form of subsidized SallieMae student Loans? I thought this type of loans were only available to accredited/GAAP compliant schools?

 

I didn't know they make the SM loans avalble tp KW-M
students?

Is it on their web site?
Better and legitimate schools can't get aproved for this loans.

Is it on their web site?

Because this sounds like sham to get federal funds?

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These are private loans, like those that KEY BANK used to offer carib medical students.

Virtually any institution can qualify for a private loan structure for its students; since the burden is actually on the student on which type of "collateral" it can provide to obtain the loan.

I sure hope that no one is equating the loan structure of a school to the quality of education provided, or even vice versa.

 

Although I've never been entirely clear in my mind about KW. The experts who post here seem pretty well unanimous that KW is a mill. I don't know...it seems to be a substandard school, all right, but is it really a mill? There are things I've have heard, at least, that make me wonder. But then, some of the positive things I've heard have turned out to be untrue.

 

What was well documented during Senator Collins' hearings last year is this:

1. While financial aid is not available for unaccredited degree programs, it is available for courses at unaccredited schools (locksmithing, meatcutting, etc.)

2. Kennedy-Western Admissions counselor Andrew Coulombe who testfied before the Senate committee (he said he was really just a telemarketer) said that they told potential students that the university would offer them only individual stand-alone courses, for which aid was payable, and then would consolidate those courses and award the degree based on them.

The Collins hearings have been published, and are readily available on the internet. See, for instance

http://www.senate.gov/~gov_affairs/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Hearings.Detail&HearingID=176

 

Unbeliable that such an argument would fly with the government. Specially after one reads the entire testimony and put it into context.

Thanks for clearing that up Dr. Bear.

 

Okay, I see, one needs to get into the slaughterhouses, meat-packing plants, and freezers.

 

I'm shokht, simply shokht.

I don't see a meat-cutting credential in your sig line, Dr. Clifton.

 

Re: I'm shokht, simply shokht.

And you won't. Don't like blood.

 

KW a mill?

It depends on how you define the term "mill".

Some entities grant degrees in exchange for money, with no questions asked. Most everyone would agree that such entities qualify as "diploma mills". KW is a bit different, because it does require its students to earn degrees by completing tests.

The problem is that KW coursework and testing requirements appear to be ridiculously lightweight relative to accredited schools. The testimony here, for example, indicates that the only requirement for passing a KW graduate-level engineering course was a single 100-question, open-book test, where most of the test answers could be found simply by looking up the subject matter in the textbook index. KW reportedly offers master's degrees for the completion of five or six such "courses".

So is a KW a "mill"? If a "mill" is defined as a degree-granting entity with nonexistent academic requirements, then no. But if the definition is extended to include degree-granting entities with grossly substandard academic requirements, then yes.

 

Thanks, Dr. Bear, for pointing this out.

The above partial quotation (of Dr. Bear's post) is a fact that several former, and current, KW"U" enrollees would attest to, and which, at least to me, is one of the most damning evidences that KW"U" is a massive, unethical operation bothering on deceit, a sham, and unmitigated fleecing of the, sometimes unknowing or ill-informed, KW"U" customer.

Fact is, there is hard evidence all over the place (e.g. US Senate hearings, GAO investigations and reports, written former students' complaints in some online fora, etc) that KW"U" does NOT, in actual practice, offer individual stand-alone courses. The entity (KW"U") bills you (and forces you to prepay) for the entire degree at once, and if you cannot or would not do so, makes you sign up for installment payment arrangements, slm and other financing, etc.

A KW"U" enrollee is hooked (forced to financially commit) to the KW"U" money-making machine for the ENTIRE "degree" program, with no standalone course offerings provided in actuality. You cannot just sign up for one or two courses. Nada! Nyet!

This is an absolute fact! Pass four or five or slightly more such tests, plus write a final paper, and presto! you get a glossy, embossed KW"U" Bachelors, Masters, or Doctoral "degree." If this is not a massive joke (and a shame), I do not know what is.

Yes. Can also be, though not frequently, as low as four courses!

What he said!

Yes, yes, yes ..... to the latter postulate.

Thanks.

 

Regrettable scene in a Polish restaurant, Chicago

Jimmy: You better order, I don't know what this stuff is.
Janko: OK. He'll have mushroom pierogi and I'll have golabki.
Waitress: OK. You want soup?
Jimmy: Yeah.
Janko: I'll have czarnina, and he'll have tomato.
Jimmy: Wait a minute, y'all. Czarnina sounds good. What is it?
Waitress: Is duck's blood soup.
Jimmy (making face): Eeuw, gross, aack.
(Waitress slugs Jimmy, who topples off his chair.)
Janko: Aw, whadja do that for? He's squeamish.
Waitress: Skwimysz? Kto?
Janko: It's a kind of religion.
Waitress: O-h-h-h. (Wanders off.)
Jimmy: If I get up off the floor will she hit me again?
Janko: No. She thinks you're a Zoroastrian.

 

Re: Regrettable scene in a Polish restaurant, Chicago

Guess that's better than being a Rastafarian. At least I can follow the stars.

 

Ducks' blood soup? Has the good NZ doctor reappeared?

Re KW: I admit that I DON'T like the financial tricks as described. In fact, California has OUTLAWED that sort of thing for D/L schools, IIUC.

That really doesn't smell very good.

 

KW won't sell degrees to Californians, possibly for this very reason. KW won't sell to Oregonians either, possibly because they would then have to disclose that their degrees are substandard under Oregon law. From the KW catalog request form:

 

Re: Re: I'm shokht, simply shokht.

But isn't 'blood' central to your beliefs????

'Without the sheeding of blood, there is no remission of sin'

 

Factiod:

According to some Rabbis, though animal blood is not kosher (a cow carcass must be carefully drained and the meat washed and salted) HUMAN blood IS kosher. Why?

What do you do when you get a paper cut?

 

Re: Re: Re: I'm shokht, simply shokht.

Very cute.

The blood was shed 2,000 year's ago.

I don't have to see it.

Had I been present at the Crucifixion, I would have fainted. I pass out after donating blood.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm shokht, simply shokht.

Ha...ha..Good one, Jimmy

 

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Assuming it occured at all. The historical record isn't exactly robust on this matter.