Lighthouse Christian Seminary: Dr. John Scheel (ACI), President

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

  2. BLD

    BLD New Member

    Couple of interesting points Russell:

    1) John Scheel received his Ph.D. from Toledo Bible College and Seminary, which is now Trinity Seminary of Newburgh.

    2) From the statement of faith on the church website, they are oneness pentecostals, a recognized cult.

    BLD
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    BLD,

    I'm going to regret this, I know, but what makes them a cult?
     
  4. BLD

    BLD New Member

    They reject the Trinity, yet claim to be Christian. I don't know about this particular church, but the main denomination that believes similarly has also been known to be extremely spiritually and emotionally abusive to their members and were one of the main groups focused on in a book a few years ago called, "Churches that Abuse."
     
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Ah. And if my limited memory of my limited exposure to Church history serves, the doctrine of the triune God dates back to, what, the second or third century C.E? Seems to me Constantine was an Ayrian and rejected the orthodox trinity, but that's something else I didn't understand at the time and don't well remember now.
     
  6. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Well, even if you don't, I'm starting to get a bad feeling that, before it's overwith, at least I will. Let the religious debate begin!

    ;)
     
  7. BLD

    BLD New Member

    Actually, it dates back to Jesus.

    BLD
     
  8. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Lighthouse. See Proctology, sigmoidoscope.

    The point, copii, is that ACI was/is a bogus accreditor and Mr Scheel a joke.
    The school has nothing about it that indicates other than less-than-wonderful.
    Avoid, avoid, avoid. Thanks for the alert on this wretchedness, Vladica!
    Truly, a void to the vise.
     
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  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It is with EXTREME trepidation that I ask this, BLD, but does the Christian New Testament unequivocally define the triune God? I mean, so clearly that the matter is truly beyond debate? (like, say, eating pork for us?)
     
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Arian, after the presbyter Arius, who taught that Christ was not divine, but created.
     
  11. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Nope. Constantine was no Arian. There were a couple of Christological heresies that emerged sometime around AD 300. One of these - Arianism - was the theory propounded by Arius that Yshua was wholly human and not divine. The other - Monophysitism - was the theory that Yshua was wholly divine and not human. In AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea to settle the issue, from whence came the Nicene Creed, which confesses that Yshua had both a human nature and a divine nature.
     
  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    An explanation

    I should say that I ask because it seems to me that many Christians immediately answer that their beliefs come from Jesus but I know from history that religious doctrines have histories. They appear, they develop, they are refined and explained and occasionally, they are abandoned.

    I am asking about the history of this most fundamental, even distinguishing Christian doctrine. I find it hard to accept that it sprang fully formed from the words of Jesus but if it did, well, I suppose that's that.
     
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Sure they will, all to ACI institutions which is headed by Scheel.

    I've had communications with this man and he is an arrogant, cocky smart aleck!
     
  14. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    BASTA!

    Listen, friends. Nobody likes a good doctrinal bull session like a Lutheran. But this is the accredited/unaccredited forum.

    The thread is about the silly ACI and its proprietor.

    Vladica Russell did not make it clear for newbies' benefit that ACI and this school are less-than-wonderful. I am sure Vladica was writing with the old hands in mind who know the drill on ACI.

    Nosborne, Jimmy, Ted, I mean, like, I love you guys, man, but let's get this thread back on topic.

    I see Jimmy's trying to do that now. Attaboy.
     
  15. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    The word 'cult' comes from the Latin 'cultus', meaning adoration, devotion, veneration or worship. In religious studies it refers to collective veneration or worship, to worship's more outward and social manifestations. Ancient temple sacrifices are the classic example of cult and scholars sometimes speak of the 'cultic life' of a religious group, referring to when people gather together to act out their religion. In some cases 'cult' represents popular devotionalism directed towards one element of a broader tradition, such as 'the cult of the Virgin'.

    Things are confused somewhat by a rather different usage of the word 'cult' in sociology. Here the word refers to a non-exclusivist religious grouping with distinctive practices, mentality or geographical or social location, differing from those of dominant or normative religious groups. Sociological 'cults' are said to often suffer from marginality, alienation or anomie. There's a hint of theological orthodoxy and exclusivity to this linkage of 'cult' with 'deviant'.

    Finally there's a peculiar and rather ominous militant fundamentalist use of the word 'cult'. This one begins by defining 'cult' as referring to any religious groups that deviate from orthodox Biblical Christianity. Then they subtly twist the definition until they are talking about charismatic religious leadership, 'brainwashing' and various forms of psychological, physical and economic abuse. The implication obviously is that if a religious group drifts too far away from the a conservative Biblical foundation, then it represents a clear danger to the community.
     
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Is this my answer?

    So to that extent at least, if Constantine called the Council of Nicea to resolve the issue, it would appear that the doctrine of the triune God was not, in fact, clear beyond debate?
     
  17. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Gol ding it, Bill, thoughtful post --but let's get this thread back on topic, OK?
     
  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Compare Revelation 1:8 to 22:12. God speaks in one, Jesus in the other. There can only be one Alpha and one Omega, hence, Jesus is God.
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Uncle,

    Alright already! You're right.

    (pause)

    but NOW I'm thinking that orthodox Christianity and Biblical Christianity may not be exactly the same thing...

    (pause)

    Okay, okay! I'll drop it already!

    (grumbles under breath)

    Judaism is SO much clearer...we don't actually HAVE a theology!
     
  20. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Oops! After Uncle's post it looks like I strayed again, sorry.
     

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