http://www.ashwooduniversity.net/index.htm

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  1. dlady

    dlady Active Member

    http://www.ashwooduniversity.net/index.htm


    I was helping my brother look for some education to move him forward in the field of horticulture, and this popped up..

    Did a search here and didn’t get any matches.

    Such a shame, without me there he may have gone for it…
     
  2. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    You and I have had our clashes, so don't misinterpret this as me pickin' at ya' or anything like that, 'cause that's not what I'm doin' here. I'm just tryin' to understand...

    By "such a shame," you're referring to the university and the fact that it's a shame that it's a diploma mill; and not that it's a shame that you diverted your brother from a diploma mill catastrophe, right?
     
  3. dlady

    dlady Active Member

    Of course.

    Your and my differences tend to be around vocabulary and context, not content. (Case in point).

    For my brother, any investment in education is going to be at a high cost in time and money, comparatively, so being suckered in to spending on something bogus would probably ruin, or set back substantially, his ability to do something with meaning..


    DEL
     
  4. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Ah, yes indeed! I seem to remember this one popping up on online-college.info back in the Summer of 2003. Quite clearly, Ashworth University is a degree mill with a craftily-chosen name designed to play off that of the legitimate and accredited Ashworth College. Congratulations on convincing your brother not to waste his money!
     
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    A S H W O O D U N I V E R S I T Y

    The trustees of said university have conferred upon
    recommendation


    DLLADY'S BROTHER

    the degree of

    BACHELOR OF SCIENCE
    HORTICULTURE

    with all rights and stuff appertaining


    on this day 7/9/05



    Dr Spiro Prepostorious
    PHD,DBA,DDS,RSVP,LLC,ROP
    ABC,DEF,GHI,WWF, DMin,DMax
    President






    Another diploma brought to you by
    -------Ashwood University-----------
    where we serve it fast,
    but you have to make it last.
     
  6. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: http://www.ashwooduniversity.net/index.htm

    Wood...Ashwood University. Ash may have worth in a degree but Ash as wood has worth in a mill. Or in a baseball bat but that's off topic.

    No, I'm not drinking. Why do you ask?
     
  7. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Re: Re: http://www.ashwooduniversity.net/index.htm

     
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  8. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Re: Re: Re: http://www.ashwooduniversity.net/index.htm

    Hmm. Ash as wood has worth in a mill, but if that wood in a mill gets turned into paper, then that Ash has worth in a degree. By George, I think I got it.
     
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  9. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    [sarcasm]

    Their logo looks nice.

    And how come more regionally-accredited community colleges aren't taking advantage of their cool Community College Partnership Program?

    Hey! I want a job at Ashwo... er... Ashw.... what is it, again?

    [/sarcasm]

    :rolleyes:
     
  10. BobMaluk

    BobMaluk New Member

    Ashwood is shady

    It´s a shady institution. Don´t they operate illegal? It seems to be so, but I´m not perfect...
     
  11. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Yeah.

    I think that distance learning is being BADLY hurt by all of the degree mills infesting the internet. If you do a search for programs in virtually any subject, you are almost guaranteed that some of the most tempting hits will be some very questionable schools. These aren't just an obscure phenomenon, they are a very significant proportion of what people encounter online.

    Readers of Degreeinfo are primed to be skeptical of such things. But most people out there aren't. They are essentially clueless. They may have heard of accreditation vaguely, but they don't know very much about it. They may not think to inquire about it at all, and if they do, they may not be able to recognize worthless accreditation claims.

    What I find more than a little appalling is the fact that professional educators seem to have so little interest in the mills. The professor/adinistrator dominated fora are all about delivery platforms and faculty labor issues. Professors are more interested in the profit/nonprofit distinction than they are in mills and accreditation. Students are forced to rely on their own resources on this stuff.

    My fear is that the mills are going to poison the pot. They are going to create a general reaction against DL, causing the broader public to associate 'distance learning' with words like 'substandard', 'joke' and 'scam'. (It's starting to happen. Comedians already get laughs with the words 'online university'.) We will start seeing employers and clients refusing to hire DL graduates because they want people with real educations.

    And at that point all of the huge investments that conventional universities are making in DL will just be spitting into an angry wind.
     
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  12. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I think the schools that are hurt most are the DL only schools such as the big 3. If one gets a DL degree from a name sit down school no one would even know.

    And I'm sorry but how can anyone fall for the likes of this?. There is nothing to be confused about here.If a nonaccredited nonschool offers nonclasses and offers to mail in a week a certificate that authenticates nothing how does this help somebody in the real world? Is there somewhere to report this stuff?
     
  13. dlady

    dlady Active Member



    I don’t share your view. In this very specific example, we are talking about a guy who cuts grass for a living.

    He doesn't know JACK about accredidation and what not. He isn’t dumb by any stretch, or lazy, or any of that, he has just been focusing elsewhere and has no knowledge of the stuff talked about on this board, so often, that we who read it become familiar with it.

    He is to a point now in his life where he wants to better himself, and this would have been a tough, and possibly discouraging first step.

    AND if he were to move to, say, Oregon, and try and get a job, he could become a criminal.

    Tough stuff.

    DEL
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
     
  15. mineralhh

    mineralhh New Member


    If I spend considerable amounts of money on anything, if that's a car, a vacation or a university education, it is kind of naive to assume that you wouldn't do any research on it, right? that's unrelated to being dumb or smart, this is just a very basic human trait: I want to know what I get for my money. That's why I research it. If anybody doesn't research online degrees enough to find out Ashwood is not a wonderful institution, then please supply me with more details on that way of decision making!
     
  16. dlady

    dlady Active Member



    Wow, that’s a hard line to take. Kill the wounded and buyer beware.

    I get the premise; I just don’t know that I share your support of the seller and damnation of the consumer.

    mineralhh:

    From a research stand point, again I find it hard to support the idea of damming the consumer here. I just can’t support your idea of thinking that mills are okay and the way to stop them is to prosecute the consumers.

    This place lists out two accreditors, and the stuff looks official...
     
  17. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    What about not giving a rat's-ass?

    If those Oregon mud-weasels start screeching too loudly, maybe we'll have to remind them that our beloved CA-Approved sector includes its own private airforce:

    http://www.sci.fi/~fta/drakens-3.htm

    I particularly like this photo caption:

    A National Test Pilot School Draken returning from the NTPS class graduation bombing flight

    So... what did the University of Oregon do at their graduation?

    :D
     
  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Dlady said:


    I have been a landscape laborer!!!:)
    But Dlady I thought he knew horticulture? If he just mows lawns (which I enjoy and made money at as a kid) how does this equate into justification for "life experience" degree (degree?) for horticulture? Sure I could see for a brief moment a "hey is this possible?" reaction but upon any further review this would have to seen as dishonest.This takes only common sense to see not book smarts.


    This really is not an accredidation issue. It is a money in exchange for a phony document issue. But anyway good for you for steering him clear!

    Peace,
    Dan:)
     
  19. dlady

    dlady Active Member



    I have too, this isn't a slam.

    Interesting on the hard line approaches and condemnations of the buyer. It never occurred to me that the assumption was that anyone who winds up with a ‘mill’ degree is presupposed to understand the breadth and consequence of its connotation.

    DEL
     
  20. mineralhh

    mineralhh New Member


    no mills are surely not ok, but of course they wouldn't exist unless there would not be demand by consumers!! And no, you don't get tricked into buying a degree from Ashwood believing you have just achieved 4 years of college by sending in a cheque. If somebody really is that naive, does not do any internet google search even, then he needs to be punished in the same way as if you buy stolen goods that still carry the name tag of the previous owner.
     

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