community accreditation Russia

I know usually comunity accreditation is for example when a recognized organization accredits a business that they provide quality service, this can be Medical facility, Nursing home etc.

I never knew that such accreditation exists for education providers.

Any one can coment what is the value of such accreditation - is there academic value and is there anything comparible - in education in the West.

Thanks.

Not impying to any school because I don't know any comunity accredited school in Russia.

But based on the article below there is such an animal.

Regards,

http://www.useic.ru/russian_education/higher.htm

Accreditation
Besides the division into universities, academies and institutes, state licensing and accreditation are the most important characteristics of any institute of higher education. State license gives institution the permission to offer educational services. That means that an institution has enough well-equipped space, which will allow to teach an appropriate number of students; that it has in its staff well educated and trained lectors and teachers. Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation issues this document. Every branch of the institute of higher education needs to get state license separately from the head institution. There are two types of accreditations in Russia: state accreditation and community accreditation.

State accreditation means correspondence between the quality of education on accredited programs and state educational standards. Accreditation also gives the right to issue state-standard diplomas. Constant state control of the quality of educational services is legally guaranteed only for accredited schools. Institutes of higher education can be accredited for the period, which not exceeds 5 years. Accreditation certificate is not eligible without its attachment, where accredited programs of all levels (bakalavr, specialist and magistr), stages of education and qualifications of graduates are listed. All branches of institute of higher education should be accredited at the same time as the head institute. The names and addresses of the branches, list of accredited programs are mentioned in the attachment. The word "state" in the name of the institute of higher education guarantees that this institute issues state standard diplomas.

The aim of community accreditation is appreciation of the level of activities of institute of higher education, which corresponds to the criteria and expectations of civic educational, professional, scientific and industrial organizations. Community accreditation does not mean financial or any other obligations from the state.

Oksana Anistratenko, educational adviser, Moscow EIC, IREX,
Natalia Aulchenko, educational adviser, American Councils for International Education: ACTR/ACCELS, Novosibirsk,
NAFSA 55th Annual Conference, Salt Lake City, UT, May 25-30, 2003.


Learner.

 

Lerner, WHAT IS YOUR POINT? I mean, your real point? Why do you keep trying to make us interested in anything going on in your mother country? Isn't there a Russian equivalent of DegreeInfo out there somewhere that might actually care?

Just askin'

 

The real point is that I'm hopping for some credible Doctoral program DL in Russian language.

I don't think at this time I will be able to study for post graduate degree in USA or EU.

I did very well taking IT classes at Florida Tech but it was al very technical.

My English wile its getting better is not on the level :-(
Couple of esays I sent to local university were disaster.
I didn't want to cheat and have my wife to write them.

Anyway.

Learner

 

Okay. Though I was exasperated when I wrote my earlier post, I understand what you're staying now and I want to bend over backward not to jump down your throat or anything like that... like I have in the past. Moreover, I'm sorry if my earlier post felt like that's what I was doing... yet again.

I just think you'd have fewer people -- like me, for example -- suspicious of your motives if you'd just disclose your motives in the first place. Is that what's been going on with you all along, Lerner? I mean... is that why you brought up IUFS; and why you're recently bringing-up Russian stuff, just generally? Have you simply been looking for a DL PhD program in your native language that's GAAP? Honesttogod, Lerner, if that's all you've been after all this time, yet you put everyone some of us here through the work and debate that you did, then I'm almost angry with you for being so evasive. It just wasn't necessary; and it put a dark cloud over you around here that maybe you never deserved.

(I don't believe this. I'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for this guy! He'd better be on the level, dammit!)

If so, then all I can say is that you could have saved yourself a whole lotta' grief; and alot of wasted time with me and you going back and forth in other threads; and I'm sure I would ended-up liking you alot more, if you had just explained what you were actually up to in the first place. That is, if that's actually all you've been up to all this time.

Aw... what the heck. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and assume, for a moment, that that's what it was. If so, then maybe someone around here can help. Before they could, however, I'm guessing they'd need to know the following:

1. You're looking for a DL PhD program in your language that's GAAP, then, right?
   
2. If so, in what area of study, precisely? Or are you looking for suggestions? Or would you settle for just about anything, as long as it's in your language?
   
3. Do you want purely coursework-based; or purely research-based; or a combination of the two?
   
4. Would you prefer that the institution actaully be in the former Soviet Union; or would it be okay if it were in the U.S., the U.K. or Australia (or someplace else), as long as it's in your native tongue (if such a thing even exists, that is)?
   
5. And what, precisely, would your "native tongue be"? Or, perhaps better yet, in precisely what language would you feel most comfortable?
   
6. Do you have a price range; or a maximum cost above which you simply cannot go?
   
7. And what are your undergrad and grad degrees, and from where (so that people offering help can recommend something for which they are appropriately requisite)?[/list=1]C'mon, everyone... I'm serious. If this is all Lerner's been after all this time and he simply took a painfully circuitous route, then as the person who gave him the most grief around here, I want to be the one to motivate others to help him.
   
   Post your recommendations here (after Lerner gives his answers, of course) I, for one, am off to do some advanced, creative Googling (which, as most of you know, I'm pretty good at).
   
   Okay, Lerner, the ball's in your court. Answer the questions, and let's see if we can get you some help!
   
   Also, once I know in what language you're most comfortable, I'm going to see if I can find you an English instructional course for native speakers of your language (some sort of ESL-on-steroids sort of thing) that might get your English up to the point where it's good enough -- and you're comfortable enough with it and are not struggling with it anymore -- that you could get your PhD from an English-speaking institution after all!
   
   C'mon, everyone... let's make this thread the best thing that ever happened to Lerner around here. Let's show him how DegreeInfo can treat him when it's not worried that he's trying to pull some kind of fast one, as we did in the past.
   
   This is not sarcasm. I'm serious as a heart attack.

 

Because I don't want Gregg to have a heart attack I'll offer this list of Russian universities. As far as I know, this is the total list of genuine, honest-to-goodness, full-fledged, authentic (this is the Russian equivalent to "accredited") universities AS

 

Gregg,
I graduated from Soviet University in Ukrain in 1982.
I'm proficient in Russian.
My degree of specialist - Information Systems Technology - evaluated by WES as RA equivalent Masters Degree in CS, IT or IS
I forgot.
I was thinking Dr. in Engineering Management, IS Management or DBA.
I think I have a better chance if I study in Russian then nglish.
And maybe save couple of buks.
My older son just completed his first year college and he is doing very well.
I helped him whit his cource work as long as it was sciences.
So yes I'm sure at this time English based degree will be supper hard, and I don't want to start and have to abandon, have the loan etc.

I think this may be good for my career and part time teaching.

The entity in St Petersburg was tempting years ego, so you are correct I still watch it from time to time.

Learner

 

Ok. Because I don't want Gregg to have a heart attack I'll begin by offering this list of "official" Russian universities. As far as I know, this is the total list (I could be wrong). There are not that many on the list. If you were willing to lose a little sleep, you could check them all out in one night. Either they have DL programs or they don't. Either they have dissertation-only doctoral programs or they don't. It's not that hard to figure out, especially if you know the language. Check it out.
Jack
(Hey Gregg, keep some of those little aspirins in your pocket, OK?)
Altay State U
Kazan U
Moscow Bauman State Tech U
Moscow Inst of Physics & Tech
Moscow Power Eng Inst
Moscow State U
Nizhni Novgorod State U
Novgorod State U
Novosibirsk State Tech U
Novosibirsk State U
Penza State Tech U
Rostov State U
Russian Academy of Sciences
Samara State U
St Petersburg State Tech U
St Petersburg U
Tomsk St U
U of Pereslavl
Ural State U

 

I'm touched by your concern. Really! I'm serious as a... er... well... you know the rest.

But, seriously... it was a mere simile, not a chest-clutching cry for help.

(Although, that may be on its way if I don't take better care of myself! My enemies in AED and elsewhere are crossing their fingers, I'm sure.)

 

You're kidding, right?

I'm willing to bet that there's more accredited higher education institutes in St. Petersbourgh alone than there are in your list. Say, your list does not have any of the dozens of Medical Institutes, Pedagogical Universities or hundreds of specialty schools. E. g. my father graduated from Kiev State University for Physical Education and Sports (that would be Ukraine, but I assure you there are schools like this in Russia), and my grandmother - from Moscow Timiryazev Agricultural Academy. Also, there are lots of newer, private schools, as well as newer, state universities. Say, State University for Public Managenent.

As the matter of fact, the list does not even include all the generic "State Universities". I've met a graduate of Kabardyno-Balkar State University (Kabardino-Balkaria is a region in Russia, with status of "Autonomous Republic"). Pick any semi-large city in Russia, and I bet there's State University there (and probably Pedagogical University, and some spesialty school like University of Chemical Engineering or Agriculture or Metallurgy or whatever. Good chance there is also a Anycity State Medical University.). There is quite famous university in Moscow, specialising in international students - Patris Lumumba University for Friendship of Nations. In fact, one school was mentioned here as providing wide variety of DL degrees, including PhD-equivalent... if only search worked...

...that was Far East National University. The site was openuniversity.ru, but it's closed for maintainance now. Lerner, you read Russian, right? Then go to www.dvgu.ru and dig from there.

Sovies system allowed "distance" (zaochnoe) education from God knows how long ago. Especially for Aspirantura - Russian Kandidat is essentially a research degree. Choose your school and negociate! You know Russian - what stops you?

 

I'm willing to bet that it means nothing without government accreditation. Russian education is pretty tightly controlled from the federal center - you know that. Wich, sadly, does not prevent corruption...

 

Good post Stan. I guess that the moral of the story is that if I was able to find even a small list (in English) in about 30 seconds on Google, and you were able to find a large list (in Russian) then why wasn't Lerner able to do the same. After all, he's always coming up with these obscure websites as the basis for his postings. I think the whole thing is lame and I primarily contributed so that I could joke with Gregg about heart attacks. Do you know of a comprehensive listing of these Russian schools in the English language?
Jack

 

I found large list and many offer masters by DL, but Ph.D by DL from USA I can't find.


Stanislav do you know any?

I was on the net for many hours, Masters in economics and other degrees but not Post Graduate.

The original post is a result of spending time on the net and searching. The article is by the :

USEIC.RU Study in the United States Russian Education Preparing for Departure
About Moscow EAC

Do you see the connection now?

As I write this email I'm on this web site

http://www.universities.com/Schools/R/Rostov_State_University_Rostov_on_Don_Russia.asp

So when I select link for DL and search for PhD it takes me to US Walden University etc.

I sent a bunch of emails to dozen universities and gotr only 1 reply.

And I never heard of community accreditation and it is puzzling, is there anything wrong with that?

Look for people who aren't familiar with Us accreditation how is
RA, NA, PA, religios accreditation look like?

Learner

 

Continuation.

Noting is static.

In Russia today there is State Accreditation and Professional Accreditation so if some new accreditation mentioned I look at it from more than one angle.

Yes there is a possibility of fraud , but what do I really know about this, is it just an assumption, is it worthless or maybe it's not.

When I learned about US accreditation system and multiple accreditors, 6 regional, bunch of national, and even more professional, bunch of religious.
For some one who is not in USA lets say EU, they will look and examine each one they will learn that NA is not exactly equal to RA.
not all PA are equal.
Any way, I found this to be interesting and would like to know beyond speculation if it's GAAP.
Most likely its what Stanislav stated but it would be nice to have more than this.
So I did write to a few places in Russia for further explanation.

Before making generalization read this

Ministry Affiliation of Russian Institutions:
The majority of state institutes of higher education are regulated by the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation. Some of them are regulated by other state Ministries, such as the Ministry of Health Care, the Ministry of Railway Transportation, the Ministry of Culture, the Ministry of International Affairs and others. It is rather difficult to understand the principles of this Ministry subordination (subjection, submission).

any intelegent replies?

Thanks

 

Institutes of higher education of aviation are regulated by the state, of railway and water transport - by the corresponding Ministries; legal academies are divided between the state and the Ministry of Internal Affairs; the largest medical institutes and medical departments of universities are regulated by the state, smaller - by the Ministry of Health Care.
Non-state educational institutes can be established institutionally and legally in the forms stipulated by the Russian Federation Laws for non-profit organizations. The majority of them teach humanities, economics, and law - the disciplines that do not require expensive high-tech equipped facilities and big capital investments. Students at non-state schools need to pay for their education during the whole period of study.

 

Gregg, it's part of the nature of distance learning to be international. More and more, we are going to be seeing educational services provided across borders. No matter how ethnocentric we try to remain, Americans will eventually have to wake up to that fact and recognize that the world doesn't begin and end with the regional accreditors.

Russia in particular is interesting for several reasons.

First, it's interesting simply because Russia is a major world nation with an illustrious academic tradition, particularly in the sciences and mathematics.

Second, it's interesting because up until 1991, Russia was a communist nation with a state monopoly on education. Whatever private higher education exists in Russia today is no more than 14 years old. That includes not only the schools themselves, but also all of the mechanisms necessary to manage them. That kind of emergence of a new educational system from nothing is going to be an interesting thing to watch.

Finally, several apparent degree-mills have taken up residence in Russia and are employing worldwide confusion about the Russian system to sell their wares. So it's probably prudent for Degreeinfo, a board where people comefor informed advice, to come up to speed about the situation there.

 

The Recognized University Accreditor in Russia

The INQAAHE (International Network of Quality Assurance Agencies in Higher Education) is an organization that I respect.

They give the following listing for Russia:

National Accreditation Center of Russian Federation,
3 Lenin Square, 424000 Yoshkar-Ola
Professor Vladimir Navodnov
[email protected] | www.nica.ru/

A detailed profile of the NAC is available here:

http://www.inqaahe.org/members_details.cfm?mID=102&typ=1

(The NAC's Lenin Square address is kind of telling, suggesting that the evolution of a private higher education system in Russia isn't exactly complete yet.)

Anyway, if Lerner wants to find a recognized Russian DL program (and given Russia's tremendous geographical extent, I'm reasonably confident that Russian-language DL exists), it might be a good idea to run anything he finds past these people.

 

I've got an old 1990 copy of the 'World of Learning' on my shelf. While it's getting a little dated now, it gives a pretty good picture of Russian higher education at the end of the Soviet era.

It includes what seems like a surprisingly small number of universities. There were only about 40 of them in what is now Russia. Many of these were located in autonomous republics and seemed to have a local cultural function. There were maybe 20-30 mainstream Russian universities.

But... there were a bunch of polytechnics. And what's really striking is the hundreds upon hundreds of "other higher education institutes":

Bryansk Institute of Transport Engineering, Moscow Machine Tool Institute, Tagenrog Institute of Radio Engineering, Leningrad Technological Institute for the Pulp and Paper Industry, North Caucasian Institute of Ore Mining and Metallurgy, Groznyi Oil Institute, All-Union Extra-Mural Institute of the Textile and Light Industries (sounds like DL), Kaliningrad Institute of Fish Industry, All-Union Extra-Mural Institute of Railway Engineers (more DL?), Siberian V.V. Kuibyshev Road and Road Transport Institute, Kirovograd Higher Flying School of Civil Aviation, Vologda Dairy Institute...

And countless more.

Russia was the worker's paradise and its higher education certainly had a hugely vocational flavor.

I guess that some of these things were world-class technological institutes, others were more like ACCSCT vocational colleges.

And I get the impression that many of them were associated with and operated by various industrial ministries. So whatever American-style 'accreditation' they had was doubtless a function of that.

My current impression is that Russia is trying to gather all of its higher education, certainly the quality assurance aspects of it, under one education ministry roof. But heaven only knows how far that pious intention has really progressed. (I can only imagine the turf battles.)

 

Re: The Recognized University Accreditor in Russia

Bill, very interesting replies.

I'm able to find russian DL education, most for Russian Federation, Some can be taken from other countries such as USA.

What i can't find is a Post Graduate, Doctorat or Ph.D delivered in Russian and can be studied from USA.

I would love a program such as the EBS were a person takes proctored exams at embacy or other approved center.

I took part of EBS program for MBA in the past and at this time it's on hold. I may resume it for a second masters degree or if I find what i'm looking for then I will begin working on Ph.D.

As for Russia I know there is an atempt to bring some programs here, I know couple Russians with UC Berkeley degrees working on this initiative, my wife was offered a part time jobe once thay roll out their program, Some universities would love the US $$$ and Euros comming their way and also earning well known reputation in the world map of education providers.



Learner

 

Memo to Learner, aka The Chernovtsy Kid--

Now you're cookin', cowboy! I am absolutely delighted with your new style of enquiries and I hope you can find what you want. This thread has become a gem on how to check out Russian accreditation and Russian universities. I have a very VERY vague memory of this, but I think there might be a university in Vladivostok (called Far East University???) offering doctoral DL in Russian. I am very unsure about this but you might want to check it out.

Best wishes to you,

Janko the Mad Priest

 

Thanks,

I sent email and called.Specificaly asking about their External Institutional Framework.

Name: Far East State University
Email: [email protected]
Phone: +7 42322 2 47 00
Telefax: +7 4232 26 48 97
Telex: 213218 FESUSU
Address:
Ulitsa Sukhanova, 8
Vladivostok 690600
RUSSIA

Contact person:
B. L. Resnik
Role: Director

External Institutional Framework:
Russian Academy of Sciences, Far East Branch


Learner