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    Oxford Association of Management

    http://www.oxim.org/

    Oxford Association of Management

    What is a Chartered MBA or Chartered DBA?

    Is this place a mill?

    This link came from an email I got.

    Please no atacks, I don't bring this to fight .
    Intelegent replies appriciated

    Is the term Chartered in UK protected, like Licensed in USA?

    learner

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    Re: Oxford Association of Management

    Originally posted by Lerner
    http://www.oxim.org/

    Oxford Association of Management

    What is a Chartered MBA or Chartered DBA?

    Is this place a mill?

    This link came from an email I got.

    Please no atacks, I don't bring this to fight .
    Intelegent replies appriciated

    Is the term Chartered in UK protected, like Licensed in USA?

    learner
    Lerner,

    Your "please no attacks" remark demonstrates that you still don't get it. Your post, above, is very different than the ones like this that you usually make. In the post above, you're simply asking legitimate questions and not, while you're at it, injecting little sideways comments about the likelihood of crediibility; or asking questions which are really intended to convey the possibility of credibility by means of some weird backdoor approach.

    You're not doing any of those things in this post... to your credit, I might add. All you're doing is asking questions. Good questions, I might add.

    I'm not saying this place is or isn't legit. That's another issue. I'm merely trying to make a positive commentary about your post in light of all the trouble you and I have been having around here. All I'm saying is that I, for one, have no problem with your posting, as I've had with others of your postings like this in the past. So you'll get no criticism from me, here, over it. In fact, I'll add: Keep up the good work!

    Do you see the difference?
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    Re: Oxford Association of Management

    Originally posted by Lerner
    http://www.oxim.org/

    Oxford Association of Management

    What is a Chartered MBA or Chartered DBA?

    Is this place a mill?
    They don't seem to offer any degrees, so it's tough for them to be a degree-mill.

    It looks to me like they are trying to suck up to Oxford University's aristocratic reputation and make some money off it. People with MBAs earned elsewhere can pay a membership fee to become "chartered" by the "Oxford Association". Then those happy individuals can place their new "Oxford honour" on their resumes and try to impress other people with it.

    They say it themselves:

    "I welcome you as an individual, as an organisation or both. Opportunity exists for ALL at The Oxford Association Of Management.

    I must congratulate you for choosing OXFORD, the best in the world."
    Last edited by BillDayson; 07-03-2005 at 08:23 AM.

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    Re: Oxford Association of Management

    Originally posted by Lerner
    http://www.oxim.org/

    Oxford Association of Management

    What is a Chartered MBA or Chartered DBA?

    Is this place a mill?

    This link came from an email I got.

    Please no atacks, I don't bring this to fight .
    Intelegent replies appriciated

    Is the term Chartered in UK protected, like Licensed in USA?

    learner
    I believe chartered is a protected word in the UK, although I am not certain.

    From Companies House, the word charter or chartered has some restrictions when it comes to business names.

    charter or chartered - names that include these words will be refused if they unjustifiably give the impression that the company has a Royal Charter. If the words are used to qualify a profession, we will seek the advice of the appropriate governing body before considering whether to give approval.
    The president of the organisation, a
    "Gloria Clutton-Williams" is a virtual unknown, although she does have ties to the
    Irish International University and the Irish University Business School (it seems that the "faculty members" there like to open up lots of little associations.

    Given that virtually no information about it can be found, I think it can be classified as a rather fake association.

    Opportunity exists for ALL at The Oxford Association Of Management.
    I must congratulate you for choosing OXFORD, the best in the world
    Can they be done for fale advertising ?

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    smart feets, smart beets?

    Anybody who'd think this entity enhanced a CV must think that their feet are more intelligent when they wear oxfords, or that eating Harvard beets makes you smarter.
    Last edited by uncle janko; 07-03-2005 at 02:54 PM.

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    Most British institutions of learning have a .ac.uk address, as opposed to .org.

    I'm not saying that this is conclusive, but it isn't a good sign.

    On second thoughts, all it seems to do is offer the chance to apply to Oxford University's Executive Education Programme, which you could presumably do anyway. The language is revealing:

    "Chartered members are encouraged to participant in the Oxford Executive Education. Senior decision-makers and young managers alike are encouraged to question the usual management models and ways of thinking, to widen their perspectives, and to understand their own challenges and capabilities."

    Note the typo six words in. And what's this "..encouraged to...?" So, you pay 300 UKP for what, exactly? The chance to apply to a completely unconnected, but world famous, university? Note that you can also pay 250 UKP for "Dinner at Oxford". Heck, Oxford is expensive, but I know a couple of places that'll throw together a decent nosebag for a tenth of that amount...

    No, I call mill. Especially when you add in all the gratuitous views of Oxford's buildings, none of which has the least connection to this "Association".

    FWIW, a 'whois search' returns nothing.

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    Originally posted by jouster
    Most British institutions of learning have a .ac.uk address, as opposed to .org.
    And it does make a purposeful link to http://www.execed.ox.ac.uk so it may be an official site.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Re: Oxford Association of Management

    Originally posted by JamesK


    I believe chartered is a protected word in the UK, although I am not certain.

    From Companies House, the word charter or chartered has some restrictions when it comes to business names.



    The president of the organisation, a
    "Gloria Clutton-Williams" is a virtual unknown, although she does have ties to the
    Irish International University and the Irish University Business School (it seems that the "faculty members" there like to open up lots of little associations.

    Given that virtually no information about it can be found, I think it can be classified as a rather fake association.



    Can they be done for fale advertising?
    You nailed it I looked at the link you posted and found that IIE replaced their BMA with this new entity.

    http://www.iiuedu.ie/view.php?v=3,1

    this explains everything, a place to avoid.

    Thanks

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    Not a "degree mill", possibly a "credential mill"

    The "Oxford Association of Management" is technically not a "degree mill", because it does not offer academic degrees. It is a private society, and in this case, your money buys you a lifetime membership in that society. Members of the society are granted the titles of "Chartered MBA " or "Chartered DBA", which are credentials, but not degrees.

    The OAM may be a "certification mill." Private societies (unlike universities) are largely unregulated, and certification mills are usually legal . Anyone has the right to establish a society, charge membership dues, and give titles to its members (as long as those titles do not conflict with other legally-protected titles). In some cases, society credentials may be legitimate and respected; for example, the International Certification Institute has a "Certified MBA " program that involves a difficult exam. In other cases, possibly including the OAM's "Chartered MBA " program, society credentials may be issued to anyone who is willing to write a check.

    While certification mills are generally legal , the OAM may be on shaky ground due to its questionable use of the words "Chartered" and "Oxford". In Commonwealth countries, the term "Chartered" has prestigious connotations; for example, the UK titles of "Chartered Engineer " and "Chartered Accountant " are roughly equivalent to the US titles of "Professional Engineer " and "Certified Public Accountant ". The term "Chartered" may not be used legally in this case, as it implies that the OAM has a Royal Charter, which it probably lacks.

    Of course, the name "Oxford" also has prestigious connotations. The OAM website cleverly links to the legitimate Oxford University Executive Education site in a way that implies the two organizations are connected. However, the OAM probably has no actual ties to Oxford University, and so it may be using the "Oxford" name in an illegal, or at least unethical, manner.

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    I sent the following email, just to find out the exact situation.

    From: George Brown
    Sent: 04 July 2005 08:30
    To: Oxford Executive Education
    Subject: The Oxford Association of Management and Oxford Executive Education
    Importance: High
    Sensitivity: Confidential

    Dear Sir/ Madam,

    I am writing in regard to your organisation and The Oxford Association of Management located at http://www.oxim.org This site refers to your organisation and provides a link to your page at http://www.oxim.org/exec.html The reason I request information on this linkage is that The Irish International University of Europa claims some form of association with this organisation – see http://www.iiuedu.ie/view.php?v=3,1 and this appears to be linked to Oxford Executive Education . Would you be as kind as to confirm this relationship with Irish International University, and the nature of the Chartered DBA and MBA programs that are offered?

    With kind regards,

    George Brown

    *****************************************
    And their response:

    Dear Mr Brown

    Firstly, please accept my apologies for not getting back to you sooner.

    I’d also like to thank you for alerting us to the information on the OXIM website. This information had been posted without our consent and I can confirm that we have no affiliation whatsoever with The Oxford Association of Management.

    With best wishes

    ******************************************
    The moral of the story. Don't believe anything you read on the Internet, especially if it emanates from a UK registered, Malaysian run entity claiming to be British.

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    Somebody with a little money to burn, and who is sufficiently motivated to prove a point, should go buy a completely worthless diploma mill MBA , and then use it to apply for the Oxford Chartered MBA. Then we'd see just what "...of a sufficiently high standard" actually means.

    Isn't there someone out there who has a cat with an MBA from a diploma mill who'd be willing to do it? ;)
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    Re: Oxford Association of Management

    Originally posted by Lerner
    http://www.oxim.org/

    Oxford Association of Management

    What is a Chartered MBA or Chartered DBA?

    Is this place a mill?

    This link came from an email I got.

    Please no atacks, I don't bring this to fight .
    Intelegent replies appriciated

    Is the term Chartered in UK protected, like Licensed in USA?

    learner
    Totally fake and worthless!

    Chartered is protected I think - its a Charter from the Queen - certainly they dont have!

    I am a Chartered Accountant (ICAEW) and they have a Charter for that. The pre 1992 unis in UK each had a Charter, and the other legit prof bodies also have them. You would be laughed at in UK using the "Oxford Association of Management" but I suppose its sold to foreign students

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    Incidentally, they appear to have revised their membership ranks. They now have Certified MBA /DBA as well as Chartered MBA /DBA.

    Certified is now what Chartered was (degree at sufficient standard).

    Chartered is now

    Members that pledge firm commitment to the Association’s Charter code of practice will be admitted into the charter status membership. This membership status requires members to maintain the highest level of professional integrity.
    Which seems to imply that the association has a charter ("Association's Charter").

    It doesn't state what the code of conduct is either. I wonder if promising not to mislead or "pass off" is part of their code of conduct.

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    "Certified MBA" = TM

    Originally posted by JamesK
    Incidentally, they appear to have revised their membership ranks. They now have Certified MBA/DBA as well as Chartered MBA/DBA.
    They actually seem to be avoiding the obvious title of "Certified MBA ". They say "Certified Master" on their "Membership Awards" page, and "Certified Master of Business Administration " and "CMBA" on their lovely certificates.

    There may be a legal reason for this. The "Certified MBA " title has apparently been trademarked by the International Certification Institute for its CMBA program (www.certifiedmba.com). Perhaps ICI's attorneys would find the OAM CMBA program of interest.

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    Re: "Certified MBA" = TM

    Originally posted by CalDog

    They actually seem to be avoiding the obvious title of "Certified MBA ". They say "Certified Master" on their "Membership Awards" page, and "Certified Master of Business Administration " and "CMBA" on their lovely certificates.

    There may be a legal reason for this. The "Certified MBA " title has apparently been trademarked by the International Certification Institute for its CMBA program (www.certifiedmba.com). Perhaps ICI's attorneys would find the OAM CMBA program of interest.
    It apears that Certified is cheaper than Chartered.

    :D

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