IUFS makes changes

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Lerner, Jun 9, 2005.

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Hi,

    Don't jump on me hey here is IUFS supporter.

    I notticed on their web site some good and positive changes.
    Maybe they desided to reform and become more legitimate.

    www.iufs.edu

    I understand from reading on another site that there are additional changes on the way.

    I like the removal of all the bogus accreditations.

    Stanislav what do you think is it another trik or this time they realized that its time to clean up the act?

    Learner
     
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  2. JamesK

    JamesK New Member


    Not completely. Logos for of WAUC, EQAC, CCL, ADLP and others. These logos exist on several other pages.

    Also, what is the "University of British Medical Educational Programmes" mentioned on the page? I cannot find any other references to it.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Real schools don't do this.

    The true test is whether or not their degrees will be accepted as comparable to those from other, real Russian universities and other, real schools around the globe. Anybody want to wager on that one?;)
     
  4. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Learner (or Lerner, or whatever the hell is the correct spelling of your handle... I mean... clearly even you don't know)...

    ...what is it that makes you -- and people like you -- work so hard at hunting down every oddball, unaccredited, good-for-nothing program (and/or the equally good-for-nothing institutions which offer them), and then try to find some obscure silver lining of credibility by the most convoluted, back-door means imaginable?

    Do they pay your or something? Is it a supplemental income thing for you (and those like you)? What's the deal, here?

    :rolleyes:

    You know... whenever you decide run these silly things up the flagpole to see if anyone will salute, you'd probably get more salutes (although from less credible people) on some of those other sites to which you refer. I notice that most any ridiculous notion and/or downright abusive posit is pretty much tolerated in those places. Just a suggestion. [sarcasm]I mean... I'm only interested in your posting experiences being meaningful and fruitful for you.[/sarcasm]
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Maybe they got some pressure from authorities. Or just got reputation so bad that they have to at least ANNOUNCE changes. I don't see any reason to trust them.

    I, too, wonder: what do you find about this place that is worth interest? It is an unaccredited outfit run by an overdressed guy with bizarre name and titles (obviously fake; name included) and is associated with what appears to be some form of medical quackery, among other things. It trains medical doctors, apparently, without any authorization. By associating itself with Russian educational system, the thing discredits real schools (and you are a graduate of one). What's so interesting about the place?
     
  6. galanga

    galanga New Member

    who are we kidding?

    IUFS goes "quack quack quack." It has webbed feet. It has a beak and feathers.

    It has a roster of administrators that will make a first-time visitor spill his/her coffee from laughing too hard:

    Rev. Dr. Chief Swift Eagle, D.D., Ph.D., J.D., Theologian - Academician, Professor, Chair of the Faculty of Arts & Cultute, and Theology, USA. Besides Big Al, there is:

    Prof. Richard J. Hoyer, NY, USA - Vice Chairman for USA of the Committee Foreign Relation - State Duma - Sport Council- National Security Council;

    and also Mr. GKA himself, Dr. Hans Kempe, Switzerland, Vice Chairman for Europe of the Committee of Foreign Relation - State Duma - Sport Council - National Security Council.

    And let's not forget IUFS' posting of Hoyer's ad for "faculty" for his homeland security college. Now there's a novel idea: when there's death in the streets, there's money to be made, and Dick's on top of it. Alas, the New York authorities didn't see it his way. (Is this why he left Saint Regis?)
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The best change IUFS could make is to load up everyone pretending to be academic administrators and professors at the place and ship them all off to Siberia someplace where there is no internet access for at least 500 miles.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member


    Greg in case you forgot in your anger this is Accredited vs State-Approved vs Unaccredited forum.

    Maybe next time I should ask you if I can run anything on this site.

    Only one condition
    That you stay on 6 fit chain so I can keep the distance.
    I have a sugestion for you to.

    Anger management classes - find a good and accredited one.

    Learner lerner Learner Lerner ;-)
     
  9. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    IUFS doesn't qualify as any of those three. It's got to be a bona fide institution of higher learning first... and it's not even that.

    There's and idea! If you're serious, gimmee a minute so I can go set up a special email address for you to send me your requests -- one that's programmed to auto-respond with the simple message "no."

    [sarcasm]
    Ooooh. Ouch.
    [/sarcasm]

    So now that you're done trying to take the reader's eye off the ball, why don't you answer the questions, mill lover?

    Hmm?
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Greg as ususal you get the things your way only

    I never suported IUFS but when I see inteesting changes I like to talk about them with forum members.

    And I think the type of license they have makes them et lest a Wyoming type school but more like CA school.

    Lerner
     
  11. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Hoyer gevalt, Lerner! Stanislav and Gregg are right on this. IUFS has a looooong way to go----thousands of versts, billions of curtainrods----until it gets within spitting distance of legitimacy. Rearranging the website decorations is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I appreciate your good intentions but they're wasted on this outfit.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Some years ego you comented on this site that they would have been more appriciated if they run just on the merits of their license and deleted all the bogus accreditations.
    They claim that they are members of this associations.
    So no more claims to bogus accreditation, thats a good start.

    Any way I do see your point and others and as always I
    recomend only fully accredited universities.

    And in my original post I was bringing up the posibility that this is
    the same lady in a deferent dress.
     
  13. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    But they DO claim the various evanescent accreditations, as James K posted and linked above. Moving things around is not making a clean breast of the matter.
    It's just not.
     
  14. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Gimmee a break!

    That's "Gregg"... three g's, not in a row. Of course, I guess coming from someone who can't seem to spell "Learner," I shouldn't be surprised.

    First of all, that's simply inaccurate... at least in this case. And second of all, were that I could, who would not envy it? Is there anyone alive who would not prefer to get things his/her way? What... you begrudge me actually succeeding now and then just because you can't ever seem to?

    [sarcasm]
    Of course you didn't. Mentioning IUFS here doesn't help it at all.
    [/sarcasm]

    It sure would have helped IUFS if no one here had called you on it, though, wouldn't it have? Isn't that what you were hoping for? Hmm?

    See, Lerner, this is one of the things about you which most irriates the bejesus out-o'-me; and is the thing most at the root my saying in another thread here that I just flat-out don't much like you: You do things here with disingenuousness aforethought; then you cry foul when others see right through you, call you on it, and foil your plans. It's a cowardly, despicable way of doing things; and ever since I figured out that that's pretty much your modus operandi, my stock in you has gone way down. Until and unless you stop trying to sneak-in various and subtle forms of pro-millishness around here, you can expect me, for one, to be on you like ugly on ape.

    Interesting, how? What in godsname could possibly be interesting about an egregious diploma mill, which features on its faculty and/or staff some of the most notorious names in millville, doing a little web site three-card monte? You came in here and, with a surprisingly straight face, characterized IUFS's web shell game as "some good and positive changes," and suggested that "[m]aybe they desided [sic] to reform and become more legitimate." You further suggested "that there are additional changes on the way;" and that you "like the removal of all the bogus accreditations" and wondered if "they realized that its [sic] time to clean up the act."

    But, oh, no... you never supported IUFS, did you?

    Gimmee a freakin' break! You think that just because you don't outright say you support it that we can't see that you do?

    Stop comin' in here, pissing on our collective legs, and then telling us it's raining! It's insulting to this forum's collective intelligence; and I, for one, will not have it. Expect to be called on it by me, around here, every single time!

    Oh, puhlease! You don't even believe that. You're just saying that because I'm in California and you can't, pathetically, think of a better way to get under my skin. A Wyoming-type license -- which isn't even remotely in the same league with a California license -- would be a huge (and unreachable) step up for IUFS. It should be so lucky!

    Ha! Well said! Exactly!

    Precisely what good intentions would those be, janko? Lerner's thread-starting post -- as I've begun to realize is the case with most of his thread-starting posts around here -- was, at the very least, an attempt to make IUFS appear to the newbie reader as though it had some new-found credibility and was, therefore, worthy of consideration; and, at the most, was a flat-out troll. Where's the "good intention" in that?

    Toward what? Ever so slightly less egregiousness? That's somehow better? You just won't quit, will you? You say things like "as always I recomend only fully accredited universities," and then try to make some of the planet's most repugnant diploma mills sound credible in the very same breath. Mygod, man... you're outrageous! And, adding insult to injury, you expect us not to even notice! Do you have a brain tumor or something? Sheesh!

    What... with what was suggested by your lame (and unconscionably crafted) "Don't jump on me hey here is IUFS supporter" line? Again, GIMMEE A BREAK!

    Exactly!

    Give it up, Lerner. You're busted.
     
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  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Are there any changes?

    Come think of it: is there REALLY any news in what you've posted? From as long as I've heard about IUFS, they're talking about changing this and that, imminent accreditation, approval from Prime Minister Kasianov, yada yada yada. ESPECIALLY on that "other site" and AED. Web site revamp, too, is not their first one. For example, they don't have a link to that ridiculous State Duma fake site, and to a site for a fake Academy of Science. So what's the big deal now? They're still a screaming fake; no substantial changes so far. And Kasianov is not a prime minister anymore ;)

    I mean, seriously, do you think those PEOPLE could steer the place to legitimacy? Why would they - that would mean giving up a curtain rod and most of their fancy titles, and certainly a sizable investment. They can dupe enough Indonesian people as they are.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I never suported IUFS...
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    [sarcasm]
    Of course you didn't. Mentioning IUFS here doesn't help it at all.
    [/sarcasm]

    It sure would have helped IUFS if no one here had called you on it, though, wouldn't it have? Isn't that what you were hoping for? Hmm?

    The problem with you is that you think I always have an agenda

    But there is no agenda so sory to spoil your enjoyment.

    As to Ancle Junko

    I agree that they should have removed all of the junk.
    They changed the wording and at this time sweeped it under the rugs.

    I read on another site that the changes are still beeng applied and more comming so it is of interest to me If they realy going to break from all the other bogus things.

    Gregggggggggg

    But maybe I did.

    Gave some thing to release your anger.

    To me its just another barking and you can continue as long as you want.

    Your aleged conspiracy to sneak IUFS in to this forum - come on this is really mental.

    But it gives you something to brag about or chew on it.

    I appriciate other forum members replies, they confirmed my thinking about this situation.

    Learnergggg
     
  17. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Gregg, that, I may say, is a genuinely correct observation! It does bother me quite a bit, also.

    Ok, ok, ok ...... this one is bit harsh, Gregg. (I know that you are a very nice guy underneath your sometimes rhetorical, almost always brilliant, linguistic flourishes!

    Know that I do understand, and specifically in this instance, I do share, your frustration with Learner's almost frequent and sometimes ambiguous statements that appear on the surface (maybe even deeper down in his subconscious and ephemeral reality) supportive of certain un-wonderful entities and questionable "schools."

    Let's grant him (just based on his say-so and apparent back-tracking, recent post) some leeway for possibly, reasonable doubt.

    Learner, exactly what is this thinking of yours that other members/posters here have confirmed?
    :confused:

    Sometimes, I have had the impression that some of your posts appear to question the questionnable schools, and rightly so. Other times, some of your posts appear to be attempting to slide into legitimacy, certain clearly un-wonderful schools.

    Confusion galore! - or intentional wizardry?

    Please, no more mill-supportive, non-support, statements.

    Remember that hundreds of new DI members and genuine information seekers frequent these DI forums daily, sometimes anonymously, exploring genuine and legitimate DL options.

    We can be helpful by being forthright and not send them a mixed message.

    Our genuine newbies are not helped by anyone's waverings, ambiguousness, and vacillations on what certainly must be universal and unanimous questioning of questionable "schools."

    There can be no tolerating un-wonderful or shady "schools" anywhere! .......... unless, of course, one is somehow compensated or rewarded or benefits from promoting and advocating/shilling for any/some of these entities?

    There is no need to attempt to mop/dry the deck when everyone on-board the Titanic (read IUFS) knows/knew that it is/was sinking already!

    Thanks.
     
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  18. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Why ridicule my name, Lerner? If you wish civil responses, give them. La dracu.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Perhaps commentary and opinion focused on what's been said, instead of who said it (and calling them names), would be a better approach.

    For example, I've said some pretty harsh things about Neil Hayes. But they've been focused on what he's posted. Calling him an academic fraud is based on his claims of two mill doctorates (not to mention the way in which he obtained them). While coming to that conclusion--and stating it--is unfortunate, it sometimes has to be said. But not for a minute would I go after him personally (like he does regarding me)--just what he posts.
     
  20. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Jake_A and Rich are right. I apologize for suggesting that Lerner has a brain tumor. I didn't mean to insult those who do.

    Billy: "Mommy, mommy... Mikey said I'm ugly!"

    Mom: "That's not nice, Mikey. Apologize to your brother."

    Mikey: "Okay, fine. (to Billy) I'm sorry you're ugly."


    ;)
     

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