James Monroe declares Oregon a "disqualified state."

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  1. galanga

    galanga New Member

    In tiny print at the bottom of the James monroe home page is this: "...Our programs may not be available to residents of certain states that may have conflicting or substandard regulations (ie; Oregon) laws regarding online education..."

    This is rather a case of the witch's cauldron calling the sterling silver black.

    The link underneath "i.e. Oregon" connects to the JMIU "Disqualified States" page. I am happy to report that the page does not contain the usual quantity of "its" vs. "it's" errors.

    The page explains that JMIU does not sell its product to Oregon residents because "Until the standards are raised to our level of acceptance JMIU will grant no degrees to Oregon residents."

    Apparently the problem lies with "the exclusive source of information Mr. Contreras uses in his “evaluation” of schools," namely "a physics professor George Gollin [who] dictates to Mr. Contreras how to “evaluate” each school."

    Wow, I am glad that JMIU is on the ball and won't sell its (or is it "it's?") yowies to splootballs in Oregon. That was a close call. We don't want Oregon splootballs sending cash across the border-to-the-north if the state government has been hypnotized by physics professors. (6Dr. Richard J. Hoyer, that cosmonaut-honors guy who cures cancer and punches out terrorists has already pointed out this problem in his new career as an online columnist.)

    Another close call was how to fix the bad grammar on the "School of Religion" page without being too obvious about it (it would seem that the webmistress uses all those overeducated folks at DegreeInfo as proofreaders). Fortunately, she thought to redirect back to the [J]MU home page rather than display a corrected "Tune in later" page.

    Of course, there are still confusions over whether the site is for JMIU or Panama Canal University. But that's just bad software engineering, typical of stuff done on the fly by someone who is a good amateur, but wasn't properly trained.

    There's a certain amount of Seborga stuff on the site. It would be VERY entertaining if the next DegreeInfo regular to travel in that part of Italy could take pictures of the box-that-is-JMIU.
     
  2. blahetka

    blahetka New Member

    And don't forget, if you sign up for their newsletter, you just might win a $2,000 scholarship to the school..........

    I'll bet I win!!!
     
  3. informa

    informa New Member

    JMIU in India????

    JMIU tells about accreditation in India.

    http://www.jamesmonroeuniversity.ac/accreditation.htm

    "India

    James Monroe International University is a Certified Affiliate of the Distance Education Council (DEC), Incorporated under Act XXVI of 1961 of the Government of West Bengal, based on the Central Government Act XXI of 1860, Literary & Scientific Institutions Act, 1854.
    "

    It is a good comedy as they use Dr.Azad's educational affiliations as of their own and for any university as they like.

    Can Dr. Azad sue Dixie Randock for this???
     
  4. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    I am certain that Dr. Gollin and Mr. Contreras are just shaking in their boots :) Imagine, the entire citizenry of the state of Oregon is now "disqualified" from the unspeakable privilege of receiving that ultimate academic achievement: a duh-ploma from JMIU.

    Whatever will they do?

    Tony Piña, Ed.D.
    Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  6. asakazad

    asakazad New Member

    Could anyone confirm?

    What is the opinion of The Embassy of Liberia (http://www.embassyofliberia.org) in Washington DC regarding the James Monroe University and Robertstown University?

    Atleast are they aware of such Univerisities?

    Could anyone please call up the embassy and confirm to this Forum.

    Thanks,
    Azad
     
  7. galanga

    galanga New Member

    they know

    Dr. Isaac Roland, in correspondence with Josef Silny, a respected foreign credential evaluator, expressed his displeasure with Robertstown. The message was posted to DegreeInfo some months ago and is quoted below.

    The embassy is aware of the connection between Saint Regis, Robertstown, and James Monroe.

     
  8. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Lone Star! Blazing!
     
  9. russ

    russ New Member

    Oregon Will Not Be Denied

    As an Oregonian, I am truly dismayed that our educational standards do not meet the rigid and demanding requirements of James Monroe University. Members of this board should know that we (the citizenry) of the great state of Oregon will try to work even harder than ever before to be able to meet the high educational levels expected of us by this prestigious university. Hopefully, someday in the future, we might reach that worthy goal.

    Written and sent to you by pony express from the one room shack along the Willamette River that we call the University of Oregon.
     
  10. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    russ would like you to believe that he represents the opinions of others and so he uses terms like "we (the citizenry) of the great state of Oregon" when really he's just speaking for himself. The citizens of Oregon have spoken through the electoral process. As a result, there are laws and these laws are being enforced. russ is upset by this because he is a member of deviant group that would like to have no educational standards at all. Please take this into consideration as you read his future postings.
    Jack
     
  11. Rivers

    Rivers New Member

    Re: Oregon Will Not Be Denied

    If I didn't know any better I'd say Russ was being Sarcastic..but I do know better

    As far as Russ being in a "Deviant"group..I am quite sure Russ never speaks for anyone but himself(and he can barley make sense doing that sometimes). Although the thought of multiple Russ' is a scary thought.
     
  12. russ

    russ New Member

    Re: Re: Oregon Will Not Be Denied

    And this post "barley" makes sense. Or was that really hordeum vulgare?
     
  13. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Forum readers should be aware that the member who refers to himself as "russ" is a degree mill apologist whose sole purpose on this forum is to create dissent and advocate for the general acceptance of substandard degrees.
    Jack
     
  14. russ

    russ New Member

    I think people reading this board and my posts can think for themselves and need no instruction as to what to think of me or my posts.
     
  15. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    True. Very true.

    Quod es demonstratum
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    True that people reading this board and your posts will think for themselves. It's also true that your posts are usually so transparent that they will not usually need hints as to your inclination to embrace and foster substandard academics, on the other hand, better safe than sorry.
     
  17. russ

    russ New Member

    Hi Bill,

    Yes, my posts are very transparent and they are meant to be. I actually want people to see the point(s) I am trying to make. If they disagree, that's fine. That is what this type of board is for - to promote discussion.

    As for "substandard academics" I would argue that is in the eye of the beholder. From what I have determined by being on this board is that the most important question anyone should ask about their degree is "Is it legal?" If you have a legally conferred degree - congratulations and put it on your resume. If it is illegal - don't use it because it will just get you into trouble.

    Other than that, if you want to argue about quality then a Harvard grad could call all of the state schools listed on this site as "substandard" and he/she would be right based on common perceptions of academic quality and what is considered "standard" to a Harvard grad.
     
  18. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Ho, hum.....

    Hogwash!

    Falsely comparing everyone and everything to the great Harvard U. and thus intimating that such comparisons make all other non-Harvard schools, of perceived lesser qquality - is pure balderdash! It bothers on the absurd.

    Newbies, it is worth repeating, even though you may know, that Russ delights in setting up imaginary strawhuts then demolishing them with glee!

    Reducing legitimate academic standards to a question of individually defined relativity (vis-a-vis Harvard U. on one end, and all else at the opposite spectrum), is an exercise in dabbling in analogical fiascoes.

    This is an under-handed swipe at legitimate and proper accreditation - minimally acceptable academic standard-setting.

    There is no escaping it.

    One important benchmark - but not the only one - of proper and legitimate accreditation standard-setting for institutions of higher education, is to promulgate MINIMUM academic standards, minimally acceptable across the board.

    MINIMUM! Get it?

    All legitimately accredited programs and institutions (properly recognized as such by CHEA and/or USDoE) are deemed to have passed the minimum mark of academic quality, delivery, content, and resources.

    In this sense, yes, Coppin State U, U of Wyoming, etc., are the equals of Harvard U and everyone else - they have all been put to the test and objectively found to have passed the minimally acceptable quality mark.

    Russ is still groveling in the purveyance of half-truths about "academic standards" and accreditation even if he does not mention RA/NA explicitly.

    Russ excels when it comes to his demonstrated penchant for massively and selectively misrepresenting pertinent facts, hurling gross and mostly inaccurate information, and dabbling wayward analytical thinking.

    Newbies, sincere DL information seekers, know that your school, your learning program, whether it is DL or B&M - as long as it is legitimately accredited by a CHEA and/or USDoE-recognized accreditor - is not inferior when compared to Harvard U and the like.

    Do not fall for the limp millist hype and trash-talk.

    Focus. Do not be misled. Set your eyes on the prize.

    CHEA/USDoE-recognized higher education accreditations (and their mGAAP internationally acceptable equivalents) are the beacon lights on the hill. Nothing else suffices!

    The arms of mill shills, sub-standard degree providers, un-wonderful entities, deceitful co-conspirators, and accreditation detractors are simply too short to box with the all-seeing eye hallmark of academic quality and widespread acceptability and utility.

    Mere legal status will never ever trump legal PLUS accredited.. Period.

    Thanks.

    ;)
     
  19. Jake, now THAT makes more sense than 99.9% of all the other stuff I've read on this board combined. Thanks for putting the case so clearly and succinctly to all who care to read it.
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Todd Saldana
    Charles Abell
    Laura Callahan

    These and many, many more experienced public humiliation for their legally issued degrees. You're suggesting to others that the standard of "Is it legal?" is sufficient. That is reckless, irresponsible, and flat wrong. It displays either an ignorance of this entire field or a desire to hurt others. Either way, your advice should summarily be dismissed.
     

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