École Supérieure Universitaire Adam Smith™

École Supérieure Universitaire Adam Smith has now gone the "Sorbon" route,has some sort of presence in France and will offer degrees by the VAE. Adam Smith U. was once listed in John Bear's Guide to 100 good Schools but later was seen as a degree mill . It moved several times and claimed Liberian accreditation before St. Regis did! I wonder how this new try at legitimacy will play out?
from the website:
Adam Smith University received a charter as a non profit association from the Prefecture of Pyrenees-Atlantiques on 10 July, 2001, No. 0643010097, registered in the Journal Officiel de la Republic Francaise on page 3741 on 4 August, 2001. This charter permits Adam Smith University (of France) to offer distance learning courses at a postsecondary level in France. On 15 November, 2004 this charter was modified to change the name of this French association to École Supérieure Universitaire Adam Smith.

Under the legislation of the French Ministry of Education under Article L731-1, École Supérieure Universitaire Adam Smith is permitted to offer degrees in France at all levels of postsecondary education under the VAE (Validation Des Acquis de L’experience) law dated 17 January, 2002 after assessment of degrees completed at recognized universities in other countries (such as Adam Smith University) and assessment of work experience or other specialized postsecondary level specialized training. Three years of appropriate work experience are ordinarily considered equivalent to one year of university study under the VAE law. All degrees conferred in France are permitted to be issued as private degrees under current French regulations.
Degrees offered by Ecoles Supérieure in France are considered as private degrees rather than as state degrees which are offered only by French government universities.
I see Oregon no longer states Adam Smith is a Diploma Mill but the degrees are illegal in MI.and Oregon.

http://www.adamsmith.edu/ecolesuperieure.html

 

Regusted!

Grunewald had seemed awfully quiet for some time. So this is why. Merde!

I hope France hasn't tried to annex the Northern Mariana Islands...

(edited) ...or Las Vegas.

 

It was inevitable, I guess.

My impression is that France, or more accurately regional 'academies' within France, license schools to initially operate in much the same way that states do in the US. That apparently involves a visit from the local equivalent of the fire marshall and some kind of police background check. There are also requirements concerning appropriate curriculum and teachers qualifications, but apparently the new VAE law allows those regulations to be bypassed since taught programs aren't being offered.

The biggest danger that I see is that this Francophone version of state-approval (or even less in the case of 'VAE') will be spun into RA-equivalence by corrupt credential evaluators.

Paradoxically, the more less-than-wonderfuls that flock to this new gimmick, the less persuasive it will be to us hopelessly clueless Anglophones. (Francophones would question whether there are any other kind.)

 

the Privet universities in france get recognition and offer
degrees, after 5 years they can apply for a second level of recognition that allows them to award National standard diplomas/ degrees.

i think today it's safe to say that only national format degrees from France are RA / NA equivalent.

The first recognition is not to be neglected and allows persons with such degrees in France obtain jobs in civil and public service.
It's like in CA Approved achool graduates can use the degree in CA and even in some cases get licensed in Law, Psychology etc.

So Case by Case evaluation is required if one holds degree from Privet university in France that is not of the National Standard.

Learner

 

While on this subject of VAE (Validation Des Acquis de L’experience), what are the real home-grown French institutions that offer qualification by this method? Does anyone know of any?

Kenneth

 

University of Paris

New Socrates partner search posting
... dept.: The University of Paris 1 Pantheon-Sorbonne The University of Paris 1 Pantheon ... pupils urban culture vacational guidance VAE validation des acquis VALUES EDUCATION VAP ...siu.no/socpart.nsf/by+date/0EDC6DA719E3FE6CC1256E890045D95F?EditDoc...

 

VAE explained

Greetings!

This is an interesting post, explaining the French VAE in English, with a European (Irish?) perspective.

http://www.eurofound.ie/working/2004/04/FR0404NU04.htm

Has any one heard of VAE being utilized in doctoral studies, (other than Adam Smith and Robert de Sorbone)?

Kenneth

 

Relevant Links

Hi,

Links below give a good explanation of the VAE and how it can be used:

http://www.centre-inffo.fr/maq100901/dispositif/vae.htm

http://www.centre-inffo.fr/maq100901/anglais/system/systemVae.htm

http://www.centre-inffo.fr/maq100901/anglais/system/systemNat.htm

Happy reading!

Kenneth

 

I e-mailed ASU to ask how the VAE process works if a person wanted to be evaluated for a Doctoral degree. The reply is:
"To earn a doctoral degree from Ecole Superieure Adam Smith, it would be necessary for you to first earn a doctoral degree from Adam Smith University or some other accredited school as the French degree is conferred only on persons who have achieved an equivalent degree in some other country. A doctoral dissertation which would have to be read and approved by three ASU faculty members if you wished to earn first the Doctorate. You could then also receive the Diplome de Ph.D. from Ecole Superieure Universitaire Adam Smith. The fee for the doctorate from ASU would be $3000.00 and the fee for the second doctorate from Ecole Superieure Universitaire Adam Smith would be an additional $2500.00.
Why would one want to do the VAE process is they already had an accredited doctorate?

 

Interesting...

That is a good question, Laferney, why in deed, unless it is a way of "validating" your previous credential.

I wonder how different is the Adam Smith approach from the Robert de Sorbonne school.

Any one knows?

Kenneth

 

Re: Regusted!

I have a letter from the learned gentleman and he is quite clear that their operation is "... Our students are mainly studying business via correspondence or independent study or by attending classes in educational institutions in some countries where the government does not allow non government universities to confer degrees..."

Says something?

 

Recognition of Adam Smith University

Dear Sir,
I don't see any problem with Adam Smith University since Degrees are conferred from a charter issued in the United States of America by the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands. Adam Smith University holds a charter in Liberia that was approved by a vote of the National Legislature of the Republic of Liberia. Degrees are not currently being offered in Liberia. Ecole Superieure Universitaire Adam Smith University offers degrees in France. See link to Ecole Superieure Universitaire for more information in French and English. Adam Smith University was accredited by the Ministry of Education of the Republic of Liberia on October 8, 2001. Since December 2007, Adam Smith University has not been offering any instruction or degrees in Liberia.
In France, Adam Smith University is an association designated by the French National Ministry of Education as a private institution of Higher Education by correspondence under the Law of 12 July 1875 and under the Decree of 25 January 1876 to offer higher education to national and international students. See link to École Supérieure Universitaire Adam Smith for more information on French recognition.
Adam Smith University is recognized by the Association Internationale des Educateurs la Paix Mondiale, a consultative organization to UNESCO.
Adam Smith University is a member of the United Nations Association of the USA and the Business Council for the United Nations. Adam Smith University is a member of the World Wide Web Chamber of Commerce.
Adam Smith University is an institutional member of the International Union of Economists (IUE). IUE is a member of the Union of Technical Associations and Organizations of UNESCO (UATI), a member of the United Nations among non-governmental organizations and is in General Consultative Status with the Social and Economic Council of the United Nations. The headquarters are in New York (in the United Nations building) and in Moscow, Russia. Detailed information about IUE can be found at íóü, ÉÓÔÏÒÉÑ É ÄÅÑÔÅÌØÎÏÓÔØ.
Adam Smith University has satisfied the academic and cultural standards of the Academy of Science of the Republic of San Marino for recognition by the Academy as a recognized Higher Educational Institution.Because there some school that not even standard like Adam Smith University in some other countries and they are operate talk less of Adam Smith University that has Accreditation,Charters and Recognition in various countries above as a member of United Nations ,Thanks yours Dr Aremu

 

Um....yeah. Why do people buy into this when schools want to locate on an atoll some place and claim accreditation. Often these same places have faculty and their real HQ in the US. The Robert De Sorbonne and pizzeria VAE stupidity was amazing. How gullible do people have to be. It mattered not how many French officials said they were not genuine French degrees, its defenders boldly asserted against all logic to the contrary that they were legit. It was so blatantly stupid to swallow it and if it were true every French cabbie would have had a BA or PhD.

Now some Frenchmen needs to start a Pierre de Harvard (not to be confused with the real Harvard) and register it on an island somewhere (say the US Virgina Islands) as a US as a corporate entity and issues degrees by life experience and portfolio credit but run it out of Paris. Earn a prestigious US degree from the Pierre de Harvard School of Business by portfolio credit. Why yes this is a legit US process used by other schools. You too can say you graduated from Harvard, well no not that Harvard but the prestigious Pierre de Harvard. It is up the street from the offices of the Bobby Jo de Stanford School of Honky Tonkology and Barbeque.

 

Hmm. Newbie dredges up six year old thread in order to sing the praises of a less than wonderful.

 

Exactly, Mr. aremuola shows up to defend a school that has supposedly been building its campus in Liberia for 4 years and any day when it is ready it will be accredited by the Government. In the meantime it is located in Saipan.....or wherever. Give me a break! This is like that alleged graduate of the 5 works cited 28 week PhD from Northwestern Seminary and Northwestern University. Why do people fall for this stuff and then even funnier get mad at people who point out the absurdity.

As an aside, I saw someone who had posted a 35 page (body) PhD dissertation from the University of Sedona (University of Metaphysics). I recall hearing the school's head say that they turned back a large portion of the submissions. That this is an example of one that made it is not good. It was like an undergraduate report. I feel bad for the writer in the sense that they sincerely believed they wrote a PhD level dissertation.

 

I have imagined that it's actually a degree requirement to troll/spam us. aremuola has bought her degree from this entity and they probably gave her a discount if she agreed to come here, dig up an old thread and make some (lame) endorsement . You'd think they'd know better by now.

:tool:

 

True, but quality shouldn't be measured by the amount of written words. For example Schroedinger's dissertation was only 7 pages long: Herman H.J. Lynge & Søn A/S (International Antiquarian Booksellers Since 1821).