Thriving market for fakes and shills?

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  1. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Homorous?
    Interesting?
    Serious?
    Boring?
    Old news?

    Are the fakers winning? Evidence of a perpetual gold mine for the vanity hucksters and the mill shills?

    LOL.

    See here:

    Thanks.
     
  2. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    From the link above:

    "The FBI reports about half a million Americans are claiming to have college degrees when they don't. About 53 percent of all 2003 job applications contained false information, according to the Society of Human Resource Managers."

    Wow!
     
  3. aic712

    aic712 Member

    Horrible, but true. I know several people who kid about "buying a degree" so they can get into Northropp Grumman, SAIC or one of those big defense contractors. What they fail to realize is that when they apply for a clearance, they will get a rude awakening....

    Interesting article though.
     
  4. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

    correction: they may get a rude awakening...
     
  5. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    One word - Laura Crabtree Callahan. And I doubt that she was at all unique.
     
  6. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    I'm currently in communication with a man who has discovered that the Chief Radiation Safety Officer at his very large and well-known hospital has a completely fake Ph.D. in that field. If the higher-ups continue to stonewall, he seems ready to go to the media. This could be a public relations disaster if there is no 'incident' and a legal nightmare if there is.
     
  7. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Do you know if that position requires a Ph.D., i.e., if the Safety Officer is otherwise qualified?
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Interesting, but largely irrelevant. Claiming such a fake credential puts that person--one in a very responsible position--in an untenable position. Untrustworthy. If the degree is required--or even relevant--that makes it all the worse.

    A lie is a lie. A fake Ph.D. is a big lie.
     
  9. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    I agree that the person is less trustworthy for the lie. But it would matter that he does or doesn't meet the qualifications of the job.
     
  10. marilynd

    marilynd New Member

    In my view, it doesn't matter if he meets the qualifications.

    In hiring, you assess the total package presented, including the education claimed.

    If he lied about his educational credentials he changed the mix, discovered after the fact. He has proven to be untrustworthy as an applicant, which raises doubts about his trustworthiness on the job, particularly during stress points, where it really counts.

    To retain him only rewards the kind of fakery we're talking about here.

    Can him.

    The hospital may want to do this as quietly as possible due to possible legal exposure, but . . .

    Can him.

    I'm tired of arguments that try to excuse this kind of behavior.

    If you fake your credentials, you know that you are running a risk of being found out. You make the decision. You run the risk.

    Can him.

    I don't care if he otherwise meets the qualifications. I don't care if he has two sick parents and eight children to support.

    He lied on his application about a matter which fundamentally determines who he is.

    Can him.

    :mad: :mad:

    marilynd
     
  11. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Marilynd:

    Thanks for your post - a great example of a clear, honest, factual, unambiguous, unapologetic, succinct and emphatic post!

    I agree with each and every sentence in your post above ... and there are sixteen of them. Yes, I counted them). LOL.

    Please count me in as one who, whenever and wherever I may be called upon to support your right to enunciate and propagate your so very-well-stated sixteen glorious magnificus sentences above, will gladly do so.

    Please accept this note of support and thanks from me as my Amicus Brief (Amicus Curiae) - at least, in the court of public opinion AND the International Court of Honesty and Justice To Uncover All Academic Frauds!

    I hereby propose the formation and institutionalization of such.

    A fake and a fraud in an academic gown is still a fake and a fraud! Maybe even more so.

    ;)

    Thanks.
     
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  12. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    What she said.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Lying about one's professional qualifications is a reason to immediately dismiss such a person's candidacy for a job, whether or not the particular qualification in question is actually required for the job.

    If the qualification was irrelevant, why list it on one's resume and/or application? Because we all know the weight such qualifications add, even if they're not the minimum qualifications necessary for the position.

    A professional lists his/her qualifications, and does so honestly. Or, one is not worthy of consideration. Period.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Very nice post, Marilynd. Being trustworthy is a requirement for every job that I can think of. When someone claims to be something that they are not then they are not trustworthy. That disqualifies them for just about everything, at least in my book.
     

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