French Government Hoax

First, I am very happy that our degreeInfo is back. Alleluyah ! During your eclipse I browsed another educationalforum degree.board.

I saw an interesting posting by the owner who said the the French Ministry of Education says that De Sorbon were "crooks and sued"... I was surprised after my researches and I saw that Michal immediately jumped in feisty way . This time he was right as I contacted the officia; in French, which immediately denied it in straigh forward terms.

De Mr. Olivier Giron ministère de l'Education Nationale

Cher Monsieur Mettons le choses au point; je n'ai jamais pubié du tout ni demandé que l'on fasse en mon nom , encore moins à celui du ministère dans lequelle je travaille. En revanche j'ai demandé a ce site que soit publié un démenti officiel quand a l'utilisation nnon autorisée de mon nom, et la diffusion de citations m'étant attribuées, certaines personnes n'ayant pas votre bon réflex de penser qu'aucun ministère ne saurait agir de la sorte et que ce genrte de messages ne pouvait que relever de la malveillance.(Je ne connais pas les personnes qui ont publié cela et ne leur ai jamais adressé aucune sorte de courrier).
Quand à cette école de Sorbon, , j'ai cru comprendre que c'était uine associastion déclaré loi de 1901 c'est à dire sans buit lucratiof mais je ne sais rien des diplômes qu'elle délivre."

My tranlationnot official I confess)

Dear Sir, lets be clear: I never published or ask to be published on my name and of course not in the name of my ministry. To the contrary I asked this site a public official denial For the use of my name and to the citations that were attributed to me. Some people were not like you, and did not see that a Ministry could not act like this. It was a malevolent message. I do not know the people who published that and I never sentb then any e-mail.

As of De Sorbon, I understand that it is a French registered non profit institution (1901 Law) and I know nothing about the degrees they grant.

The site was obliged to include the denial similar to mine within three hours, which is very rare for a French fonctionnaire before May 1 week end.(National Holliday).

It just an info Please do not treat me as "Shill" or so on. I just report the facts when the site was out.

Fisbascher de genève

 

musical fruit

Noticed in another channel:

IP: sorbonedu.com = 64.202.167.121

Registration a year ago:
Registrant:
Universite Robert de Sorbon
Chesa Meng
Schlarigna, GR 7505
Switzerland
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: SORBONEDU.COM
Created on: 31-Jul-03
Expires on: 31-Jul-04
Last Updated on: 31-Mar-04
Administrative Contact:
Prade, Dr Jean noel
JN PRADE
4619 Higel Av
Sarasota, Florida 34242
United States
9413461427 Fax -- 9413494370
Technical Contact:
Prade, Dr Jean noel
JN PRADE
4619 Higel Av
Sarasota, Florida 34242
United States
9413461427 Fax -- 9413494370
Domain servers in listed order:
WSC1.JOMAX.NET
WSC2.JOMAX.NET

Alain has been maintaining that he's independent of Prade, who evaluates/accredits UFRS.

Beans.

 

Re: musical fruit

[ Alain has been maintaining that he's independent of Prade, who evaluates/accredits UFRS.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Good Morning,

Personally I do not see any correlation with the fact that the French Government officially denied having written a message published in a US board. I think it is very important, it is why I gave the response from the employee of the French ministry of education, which confirmed that it was a French Association.

I think that to produce a fake Email on a forum from the French Ministry of Finance to attack a university is deplorable and in fact backfired as one guy wrote " Sorbon won this one !!" The French ministry asked immediately to have their official denial published in all American sites.

Do you agree? If you went to this other site, you can confirm that it was the case, thank you.

About the registration mentioned I just checked it and I did not see Prade as a registrant. Do you?

I checked also the main site of the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon it is www.sorbon-uni.fr it is registered by this association in France.

I taught that in the USA nobody has the power to "accredit" a foreign university. just "evaluate". From what I see in their page 9 US evaluators recognize the degree of de Sorbon I think they are independant and AUAP is only one of them. Is it true ??

The funny thing is that De Sorbon has a boutique which sells now "Sorbon memorabilia", we are not used to that in Switzerland.

I hope I did not offended you in not sharing totaly your conclusion. I was trouble by the "alleged E-mail", which was quite immediately denied officially by its author member of the French ministry of Education Nationale.

Bien à vous I go to church now (Genève was the city of Calvin...)

 

Re: Re: musical fruit

If it was "published" on a "US board", it wasn't on Degreeinfo. So why are you posting here and not there?

Besides, from my vantage point, the "French government" has never said anything. That's a large part of the problem.

If RdS is going to market itself to Anglophones in search of degrees that are recognized in the United States, then there has to be some clear and unambiguous statement direct from the French government, written in comprehensible English, explaining precisely what RdS's status is in France and what kind of accreditation process it underwent. That's necessary and it's non-negotiable if an entity as inherently questionable as RdS expects to be accepted by Americans as 'RA-equivalent'.

But something that simple and that persuasive never seems to be forthcoming. Instead, all we ever seem to get are frenzied newsgroup posts written in broken English and ultimately appeals to the authority of mysterious "credential evaluators" who often seem to have conflicts of interest and credibility problems of their own.

 

Hmmm,

This whole dance reminds me much of SRU. Perhap RdS isn't a degree mill but I will consider it such until we have definative proof it isn't. My bet is that will never be delivered.

 

It is possible that the con artist running this place is the one that made up the false story in the first place. It would be just like a diploma mill apologist to do something like this to try and convince the gullible that it lends credibility to the place.

 

Cheap marketing campaign.

Comes back creates controversy , gets people to read new sales pich sells the product.
goes away for couple of weeks to process all the new applications when the number is dropping comes back with another controversy and generates new interest and new cash flow.

I wander how many applicants this little tread generated.

Some one is going happy to the bank.

 

Re: Re: musical fruit

Good Morning,

Personally I do not see any correlation with the fact that the French Government officially denied having written a message published in a US board. I think it is very important, it is why I gave the response from the employee of the French ministry of education, which confirmed that it was a French Association.

I think that to produce a fake Email on a forum from the French Ministry of Finance to attack a university is deplorable and in fact backfired as one guy wrote " Sorbon won this one !!" The French ministry asked immediately to have their official denial published in all American sites.

Do you agree? If you went to this other site, you can confirm that it was the case, thank you.

About the registration mentioned I just checked it and I did not see Prade as a registrant. Do you?

I checked also the main site of the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon it is www.sorbon-uni.fr it is registered by this association in France.

I taught that in the USA nobody has the power to "accredit" a foreign university. just "evaluate". From what I see in their page 9 US evaluators recognize the degree of de Sorbon I think they are independant and AUAP is only one of them. Is it true ??

The funny thing is that De Sorbon has a boutique which sells now "Sorbon memorabilia", we are not used to that in Switzerland.

I hope I did not offended you in not sharing totaly your conclusion. I was trouble by the "alleged E-mail", which was quite immediately denied officially by its author member of the French ministry of Education Nationale.

Bien à vous I go to church now (Genève was the city of Calvin...) [/B][/QUOTE]

2 points that you may or may not wish to cosider depending on your 'educational preference"

1. The header on the original message from the French MOE were the same as the message that said the original should not have been sent.

2. Alain of Robert Sorbon posts from Tampa Florida which last time I checked was not a part of France.

 

Jean Ribault claimed Florida for France in 1562.

Vive la France!

 

What are they doing in the Grisons?

 

Two things:

#1
Q: What are they doing in the Grisons?
A: Glaying checkers when the warden allows it.

#2
I think Peter French dropped a [

 

It seems that the inimitable Franco-American tycoon Mr. Jean Noel Prade occasionally tears himself away from evaluating credentials and breeding racehorses in order to spend a little time sledding in St. Moritz.

It's just a coincidence, I'm sure.

http://www.zalmo.com/cresta.html

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=9413&sid=988254&cKey=1012222380000

Our Carpathian Uncle will appreciate another one of Jean Prade's enterprises:

http://www.zalmo.com/aroma.html

http://www.zalmo.com/5.html

"Zalmoxian Nature Products™ selects the biologically purest ingredients to offer effective holistic products, as Dacia was the country of Bees and Honey, traditional sources of life, strength, fertility and harmony. They come from the Carpathian Mountains, Transylvania or beautiful spiritual Moldavia. They are Bio-pure and controlled, by_ a chemist graduated from the "Polythechnical University of Bucharest. They combined their natural effects perfectly with the Gerovital cure."

Has anyone ever wondered what happened to Nadia Comaneci?

http://www.comaneci-cosmetics.com/

It seems that she is currently doing business out of:

GeroVital World Marketing Office

Suite 19, 5053 Ocean Blvd. Sarasota Fl 34242 USA

Fax (1) 941 349 4370 Tel: (1) 941 346 14 27

Which just happens to be famed credential evaluator AUAP's address and telephone numbers as well:

http://www.auap.com/evalfr.html

And according to this thread, at one time that address was also Universite Francophone Robert de Sorbon's North American admissions office as well:

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13336&perpage=30&pagenumber=2

It's nothing if not entertaining.

 

Spiritual Moldavia?
OK. I give up.