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  1. Alan Contreras

    Alan Contreras New Member

    This is slightly off-topic, but we recently came across a case in which a woman who is a professor at a U.S. college but who lives in Italy and runs an international degree program there is claiming to have a PhD, apparently because the title "dottore" is commonly applied to all college graduates in Italy.

    She has a bachelor's degree from a U.S. college and some kind of degree from the University of Sassari in Sardinia. As far as we can tell, Sassari is mainly an undergraduate college and does not offer a graduate research degree that is equivalent to a U.S. PhD.

    We'd be interested in any insight from people knowledgeable about Italian degree norms. Do people there usually claim PhDs issued by schools like Sassari?
     
  2. Jamestown Spy

    Jamestown Spy member

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  3. djjjfp

    djjjfp New Member

    yes

    Hallo !

    I am writing from Italy. I can tell you what i know.

    In Italy the bachelor's degree lasts 3 years and after that you have a 2 years of specialization ( doctorate ); with those 5 ys your are a "dottore" doctor.

    Things are different if you want to learn medicine. You have to take 5 ys of University, 2/4 ys of doctorate and 2/4 of internship; with that you're a doctor ( surgeon,etc.. )


    Comparing with Phd I think that the title "dottore" is correct. When you take Phd is usually a doctorate and so you earn the highest title in school learning that is "dottore".


    I hope this helps
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    From what I know some of the 5 year degrees from Italy
    are evaluated by NACES member credential evaluation services as
    equivalent to US RA First Professional Degree.


    First-Professional Degree Classification met on February 23-24, 2004. In attendance were 20 individuals, representing federal government, state government, institutions, national data users, accrediting bodies and professions. The panel considered the current reporting requirements for first-professional degree programs and proposals to either eliminate the category or to expand and redefine it.

    Background:

    Since the 1950s, the degree classification pertaining to the first-professional degree has remained unchanged in both its definition and in the list of included degree programs.
    Defines a first-professional degree as: An award that requires completion of a program that meets all of the following criteria: (1) completion of the academic requirements to begin practice in the profession; (2) at least 2 years of college work prior to entering the program; and (3) a total of at least 6 academic years of college work to complete the degree program, including prior required college work plus the length of the professional program itself. (U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, Glossary 2004 at http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/glossary/ ). The four discipline areas (10 fields) in which first-professional degrees are defined include law, medicine, other health fields, and theology.


    Learner
     
  5. MS_Blanc

    MS_Blanc New Member

    LOL :) I'm gonna have to start wearing "Depends" when I view the comments on this forum!
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It's true. This time DesElms post was most amusing but the thing I love about this forum is that everyone is capable of letting loose with a real laugh out loud chuckler.
     
  7. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    I respect our Italian poster's first-hand knowledge, but I can't quite see how a laurea [Bachelor's] plus two years equals a PhD. One can do a research only doc in Oz or SA in two years (if you work your tail off, like Doktorand Bill Grover), but you have to have an intervening master's. So I don't yet feel sure that laurea+2=[PhD], even if it brings the title dottore.
     
  8. salami89

    salami89 New Member

    Italian education too expensive

    I once approached the Italian embassy we have here in Malaysia and the scholarships proved to be minimal. Also the cost of living and fees are too expensive for the third world to afford. Italy might be out of the radar screen when it comes to cost effective education for the third world.
     
  9. Tommy gallery

    Tommy gallery New Member

    "dottore"= bachelor

    "dottore" = bachelor (without master) = "laurea"

    ph.d = "dottorato di ricerca" (laurea/dottore + minimum 3 years)

    About university of Sassary the link for the "dottorato di ricerca" is

    http://ateneo.uniss.it/php/proiettore.php?cat=82&xml=/xml/varie/dott.xml

    so graduate research degree = "dottorato di ricerca"

    "dottore" = bachelor (without master)

    sincerely, tommy gallery
     
  10. salami89

    salami89 New Member

    Question

    Tommy gallery

    Does it apply to some Argentinian and Spanish universities as well?

    That dottore = bachelors?????
     
  11. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Multumesc, Tommy. Laurea + 3 (at bare minimum) = PhD/dottorato di ricerca I can see as OK. Theoretically, one could complete US-style master's coursework in 2 academic years and then write a diss in one additional year. The thought is a bit frightening, but it's possible. :eek:
     
  12. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill New Member

    Italian Degree- "Dottore"

    It is possible unc but there is still a 4th year involved ... probably in therapy.:rolleyes:
     
  13. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill New Member

    Italian Degree- "Dottore"

    It is possible unc but there is still a 4th year involved ... probably in therapy.
     
  14. asakazad

    asakazad New Member

    To Jamestown Spy

    Dear Sir,

    Your personal messaging does not accept my replies. Could you please let me know your email ID to my email ID [email protected]

    I need to send some important information on the degreemills.

    Regards,
    Azad
     
  15. mineralhh

    mineralhh New Member

    the italian "dottore" is a huge discussion point in higher education throughout europe. one of the common positions is that it is less than a european "dr." as the research aspect is missing. It generally is considered worth more than a US masters due to the general education etc. aspects in there but I cannot say how it compares to US phd programs.

    As the range of educational quality also within RA schools in the US surely is a whole lot broader than within state regulated schools in Italy, the evaluation might depend on what level of US phd program one tends to compare it against.
     
  16. triggersoft

    triggersoft New Member

    an Italian "dottore" is at max. an anglo-american Master'S.
    I know some Italian researchers that only have the dottore degree, and they would not never dare to write "Ph.D." (or equivalent) on their English language business cards when going to international conferences...
    Cheers,
    T.
     

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