Is this acceptable norm for a US accredited university?

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  1. Peter Chin

    Peter Chin New Member

    Lincoln University (http://www.lincolnuca.edu/)

    Lincoln University claims that they cannot survive without recruiters. As an accredited university LU should have a code of ethics and strict regulations for recruiters to follow and in case they violate this code of ethics they should be immediately terminated but on the contrary President of Lincoln University declare that they cannot survive with out recruiter nor can they stop them for misleading the public.

    Is this acceptable norm for a US accredited university?


    EMAIL COMMUNICATION FROM PRESIDENT OF LINCOLN UNIVERSITY


    From: Rector <[email protected]
    To: "peter chin" <[email protected]

    Subject: RE: What is the Link Between Lincoln University, Midwest Missouri University, Diploma Mill
    Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:40:21 -0800

    Dear Mr. Chin:

    I agree with you reasons, however we cannot function withour recruiters and we cannot realy control what they do. I appreciate your help and confirm that only 6 units of an accredited graduate education (even from Stanford) can be transfered to our MBA program that is very unique. We will never award a degree for credits received in MMU. Best regards,

    Mikhail Brodsky


    Original Message -----------------------

    Dear Dr. Mikhail Brodsky,

    Thanks for your prompt reply.

    Few of my students has been promised by Dr. Amiaya and his marketing agents that upon completion of their degrees from Midwest Missouri University (Which is illegally operated by Dr. Amiya himself and has no license or accreditation from anywhere in the world)their credits will be fully transferable to Lincoln University.

    I am just writing to advise you that it is very common for the recruiting agents to use an accredited university as a flagship to sell their degrees from the diploma mills or unaccredited universities.

    Therefore, kindly take pre-cautions as it might hurt your accreditation from ACICS.

    With best regards

    Chin
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I guess that there's "accreditation" and "accreditation".

    LU isn't R/A. Whonder why not?
     
  3. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Maybe someone should ask ACICS what they think of all this.
     
  4. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I don't know if what Peter Chin alleges is true. But whether it is or not, Mikhail Brodsky's response is kind of appalling.

    I can understand employing local agents in Asia.

    But taking no interest in those representatives' actions, even when descriptions of those actions seem egregious enough to conceivably justify legal action from students who have been misled? To seem unconcerned with what's happening to your university's reputation in a major overseas market?

    I would have expected something non-committal. Perhaps a 'Thanks for your information. We will investigate and take whatever action is justified.' But to brazenly announce that despite permitting (and presumably paying) this guy to be their representative, they have no influence over (and apparently little interest in) his actions, is just stupid.

    My suggestion to Peter is to make a complaint directly to ACICS and to provide them with all of the supporting information that you have on this.
     
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  5. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    I am not speaking as a representative of the university for which I am employed, but as a professional in the field of higher education, I would deem this to be completely unacceptible behavior for an official of an accredited school. I agree with others that the accrediting agency might be very interested to know of the actions of one of its member schools.

    Tony
     
  6. Peter Chin

    Peter Chin New Member

    Re: Re: Is this acceptable norm for a US accredited university?


    Thanks Bill and yes I have written to ACICS with supporting info and also forwarded them emails of the President. I am hoping for a response soon.

    A similar scenario existed when a local provider used Columbia Southern Univesity, DETC accredited as a flagship to sell American University of Hawaii. DETC was quick to act and CSU close shop in Malaysia and AUH is also gone. Hoping for a similar action by ACICS.

    Peter Chin
     
  7. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Good work, Peter! Please keep it up.

    Thanks.
     
  8. Peter Chin

    Peter Chin New Member


    Thanks Jake. Here are he emails that I have been getting from Dr. Amiya since Mr. President of LU has informed him to take care of me here rather than he taking care of Dr. Amiya..

    Dr. Amiya is a desperate man and out of this desperation capable of doing insane things and as such I would not be providing him my address and contact numbers. These diploma mills operators like Dr. Amiya operate like a mafia in this country and keep bouncers to take care of those making complaints or creating problems. So if one want to keep in one piece then it is better not to come closer to these guys!


    Peter Chin
    EMAILS FROM DR AMIYA


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Dr. Amiya Bhaumik" <[email protected]>
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: RE: What is the Link Between Liccoln University, Midwest Missouri University, Diploma Mill
    Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:48:34 +0800

    >
    > Dear Mr. Chin,
    > Currently I am traveling to overseas . Can you please give me your
    > contact number, address so that we know each other whom we are
    > talking to .
    > Best regards,
    > Dr, Amiya
    >


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Dr. Amiya Bhaumik" <[email protected]>
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: RE: What is the Link Between Liccoln University, Midwest Missouri University, Diploma Mill
    Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:04:21 +0800

    >
    > Dear Mr. Chin,
    >
    > i would like to ask you a question ? for your information I was out of town
    > on that day
    > Did you see me in the seminar ?
    > I would you like you to call me on my mobile number please on Monday 28th
    > March after 10 am as I will be out of town .
    >
    > My mobile number is : 012- 2882562
    >
    > Best regards
    >
    > Dr. Amiya
    >
     
  9. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Peter,

    Do not take any perceived threat lightly. Diploma mill operators and shills have little or no conscience. Many have little or no regard for the law.

    Please give all of this information concerning Dr. Amiya, to the proper authorities (law enforcement) wherever you are or he is- in Malaysia, Singapore, Hawaii (US).

    Thanks.
     
  10. Mohd Ali

    Mohd Ali New Member

    Please somebody from California reported to the authority about Lincoln University. If what they claimed that Dr Amiya is just trying to get student for them and they are not aware of this. LU should warn Dr Amiya or perhaps stop him from promoting LU. But Why Dr Amiya keeps emailing Peter Chin and wants to meet him and know his address. He must be instructed by LU.

    So I suspect LU is behind all these.

    Accredited university is also the same. Wearing a few hats at the same times. They just want students and accreditation status makes them charge high. After all as what Ian mentioned in this forum, they are hiring part=time tutor in Vietnam to pretend as their faculty and teach their program. Many of them are teachers in the english school or some evn are tourist.

    Unbelievable.
     
  11. FORUM

    FORUM New Member

    Dear friends who have contributed to this forum,

    This is my response to some of the baseless allegations made against me, Midwest Missouri University Inc, MIT and Lincoln U in Oakland, by some members to this forum.
    Firstly let me take this opportunity to apologise to both Dr.Mikhail Brodsky and Dr.Norman Madsen for any embarrassment caused to them as a result of this cheap and baseless chatter.
    An explanation pertaining to the advertisement has been relayed to Dr.Brodsky.
    In view of the several allegations, I would like to clarify some of the issues that were raised in this forum and put on record the following:

    1) I have never claimed to the Regional Director for Lincoln U. My terms of reference with the University are to recruit students from Asia and to organise some of their programs in this part of the world.
    2) Midwest Missouri University does not sell degrees nor is it not a diploma mill as made out to be by Peter Chin. MMU is legitimately registered in the State of Missouri and is a member of the US Distance Learning Association. It is worth mentioning that MMU is currently working towards higher accreditation. MMU has several committed providers in this part of the world who recruit and conduct programs legitimately to young working adults seeking the non-traditional route to acquiring a qualification. Through its quality and audit system, MMU ensures that its programs and providers cater to needs of its students.
    3) I have never made whatsoever statements pertaining to the credit transfer of MMU credits on to any of LU’s programs.
    4) Merit Institute of Technology (MIT) is a private education institution approved by the Ministry of Higher Education to conduct programs approved by the Malaysian national accreditation board. As a legitimate institution approved by the government we conduct several programs catering to both domestic and international students. As such it is definitely NOT a 1500 sq.ft of filthy space as claimed by Peter Chin.
    5) I do not have any connections in Vietnam and thus all those allegations against me in reference to setting up a LU faculty is baseless.
    6) Finally I had e-mailed Peter Chin on 22/03 to contact me with regards to this issue. Further requests were made to him to e-mail us his contact details so that I could personally clarify this issue with him. However to date I have failed to hear from him. It thus gives me the impression that this issue has been deliberately exploited to discredit my business associates and me for reasons best known to Peter Chin and his cronies.He need not fear us as we are an honest entity and not in the business of hiring bouncers to beat up those who complain aganist us as we welcome all constructive criticism.However we are grateful to this so called Peter Chin for raising this matter
    7) I trust my explanations have been clear. I cannot control the remarks made to this forum but it would be much appreciated if members do not use this as a platform to discredit and destroy the good name of individuals and institutions with baseless and reckless remarks.

    Thank you.

    Regards,
    Dr. Amiya Bhaumik
     
  12. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    rumblings from the basement of a house (not a campus) at 108 Arundel Place, St. Louis

    What eyewash, hogwash, and whitewash! Duplicated for effect, no doubt.
     
  13. Peter Chin

    Peter Chin New Member

    Dr. Amiya,

    Greatly appreciate your courage to be present at his forum and thanks for your response.

    Advertising an Accredited University together with an unaccredited university is itself a deceiving act whereby students are lured into your own university so called Missouri Midwest University which has no licensing, no accreditation and no authority to award a degree under the umbrella of Lincoln University.

    Let us get discuss your response and comments in greater length:

    1) I have never claimed to the Regional Director for Lincoln U. My terms of reference with the University are to recruit students from Asia and to organise some of their programs in this part of the world.

    "Kindly keep doing the doing the direct recruitment for Lincoln University but please do Malaysian a big favor by not organizing the programs locally since with your presence the quality of such programs will obviously be down the drain"


    2) Midwest Missouri University does not sell degrees nor is it not a diploma mill as made out to be by Peter Chin. MMU is legitimately registered in the State of Missouri and is a member of the US Distance Learning Association. It is worth mentioning that MMU is currently working towards higher accreditation. MMU has several committed providers in this part of the world who recruit and conduct programs legitimately to young working adults seeking the non-traditional route to acquiring a qualification. Through its quality and audit system, MMU ensures that its programs and providers cater to needs of its students.


    "Nor is it not a diploma mill¡K Seems to me that you are implying that MMU is a diploma mill.

    MMU is legally registered in Missouri?? Please explain what you mean and provide us with evidence that MMU has an authority to award degree. Is it licensed or accredited by State of Missouri? If it is then trust me I will personally bring a group of more than 15 students to enroll with you.

    You are referring to higher accreditation such as Liberia NBOE or WAUC or IARC or something like that right? ¡Kƒº or maybe you should considering going for lower accreditation like RA, NA or probably Malaysian own LAN."


    3) I have never made whatsoever statements pertaining to the credit transfer of MMU credits on to any of LU¡¦s programs.

    "How do we trust a person who out an advert misleading the public? Your group of agents has been saying this around towns in Malaysia"

    4) Merit Institute of Technology (MIT) is a private education institution approved by the Ministry of Higher Education to conduct programs approved by the Malaysian national accreditation board. As a legitimate institution approved by the government we conduct several programs catering to both domestic and international students. As such it is definitely NOT a 1500 sq.ft of filthy space as claimed by Peter Chin.

    "I thought it is MAHA Instiute!!. Correction to your statement required; MIT is only approved by Department of Private Education and not Department of Higher Education. MIT is also only approved to conduct certificate and diploma courses. Should I take a picture of facility and put it up to stress my point provided you let me??

    As to my good knowledge MIT is not authorized or approved by Accreditation Board to organize any degree programs. If you are please enlighten us."

    5) I do not have any connections in Vietnam and thus all those allegations against me in reference to setting up a LU faculty is baseless.


    Steve could assist in this matter.


    6) Finally I had e-mailed Peter Chin on 22/03 to contact me with regards to this issue. Further requests were made to him to e-mail us his contact details so that I could personally clarify this issue with him. However to date I have failed to hear from him. It thus gives me the impression that this issue has been deliberately exploited to discredit my business associates and me for reasons best known to Peter Chin and his cronies.He need not fear us as we are an honest entity and not in the business of hiring bouncers to beat up those who complain aganist us as we welcome all constructive criticism.However we are grateful to this so called Peter Chin for raising this matter

    "I had reply to your email but off course I would not give you my house address and contact numbers since the nature of business you are in is alarming and my and my family security is my prime concern.

    BTW are you a self claim doctor by MMU?"


    7) I trust my explanations have been clear. I cannot control the remarks made to this forum but it would be much appreciated if members do not use this as a platform to discredit and destroy the good name of individuals and institutions with baseless and reckless remarks.

    "Your explanation is baseless and totally rubbish and so is your name and the Insitution you own is a fraud and diploma mill"
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    One of its member schools in some cities was visited by FBI
    I wander why?

    Learner
     

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