Buxton U and the UK gov.

Can anyone tell me what's up with this...

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/pics/hmf/finalver.pdf

On page 75-76 it says...

"Hammersmith Hospital in UK
One of the first filmless radiology departments. Extensive cost/benifit analysis carried out in conjunction with the UK government via Buxton University"

 

That is the only reference to it I could find in Google. I didn't realise Buxton was expanding beyond awarding degrees.

I mean if you really wanted to you could always try filing a Freedom of Information act claim, but I don't think you will get much bank in any case, even if Buxton University performed an extensive "cost/benifit(sic) analysis"

 

Derby??

University of Derby College, Buxton, perhaps?

 

I've always assumed that it was a transatlantic typo or spell-check mix-up, as the cost/benefit analysis in question was performed by Brunel University's Health Economics Research Group.

Angela

 

Would that be Buxton University, PO Box London or Buxton University, PO Box Mahe, Seychelles?

Cheers,

George

 

Buxton University of Phoenix Online, UK

I am a Department Director with the Department of Homeland Security. I interviewed extremely qualified and sharp applicants who applied for a position with my department and listed a graduate degree from the Buxton University of Phoenix Online, Buxton University, UK.

At my request he provided a transcript and an Apostille signed by a Commonwealth Consular and bearing the following statement:

“By affixing their signature, seal, and stamp the approving Consular Officer does attest and certify that the attached documents are legally issued by fully accredited organizations or institutions duly authorized by the Commonwealth to issues said documents and the attached documents are legalization (Apostille) of documents by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office for use by authorities overseas that support the Hague Convention.

I called a friend at the State Department that informed me that the document I described to him seemed to be legal based on my description.

I thought this was quite unusual and I contacted the University of Phoenix regarding this issue. I spoke with several school officials who politely took my name and number and agreed to either call me back directly or have someone contact me with more information. This has been several weeks and no one has contacted me nor been available to take my calls when when I call them.

After not hearing from the University of Phoenix, I called the number he had listed for the Buxton University of Phoenix Online, Buxton University, UK and spoke with the Registrar.

I asked if she could confirm that the applicant had graduated from the Buxton University of Phoenix Online, Buxton University, UK. The Registrar informed me that due to UK law she could not provide any information regarding the student over the phone and would be happy to confirm the information provided that he submit a request in writing to the school with a signed, notarized release of information authorization.

She did inform me that Buxton University, UK and the University of Phoenix Online had partnered in the past and that Buxton University did maintian a separate online site for student course work and was authorized to issue fully accredited Associates, Bachelors, Masters and Doctoral degrees under the banner of Buxton University as prescribed in the agreement between Buxton University, UK and the University of Phoenix Online.

She also informed me that several years ago the Buxton University, UK and the University of Phoenix Online mutually agreed to disolve their association to better serve their respective students in mutual exclusive independent and separate universities.

A search for the Buxton University of Phoenix did locate a listing on the University of Phoenix website at:
http://www.colleges-education.com/phoenix/north-carolina.html
Included in the list of University of Phoenix Online Associate Universities is "Buxton University of Phoenix."

Undoubtedly, there is more to this story than what is now known.

Thanks
Fed Law

 

Buxton University of Phoenix Online, UK

I am a Department Director with the Department of Homeland Security. I interviewed extremely qualified and sharp applicants who applied for a position with my department and listed a graduate degree from the Buxton University of Phoenix Online, Buxton University, UK.

At my request he provided a transcript and an Apostille signed by a Commonwealth Consular and bearing the following statement:

“By affixing their signature, seal, and stamp the approving Consular Officer does attest and certify that the attached documents are legally issued by fully accredited organizations or institutions duly authorized by the Commonwealth to issues said documents and the attached documents are legalization (Apostille) of documents by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office for use by authorities overseas that support the Hague Convention.

I called a friend at the State Department that informed me that the document I described to him seemed to be legal based on my description.

I thought this was quite unusual and I contacted the University of Phoenix regarding this issue. I spoke with several school officials who politely took my name and number and agreed to either call me back directly or have someone contact me with more information. This has been several weeks and no one has contacted me nor been available to take my calls when when I call them.

After not hearing from the University of Phoenix, I called the number he had listed for the Buxton University of Phoenix Online, Buxton University, UK and spoke with the Registrar.

I asked if she could confirm that the applicant had graduated from the Buxton University of Phoenix Online, Buxton University, UK. The Registrar informed me that due to UK law she could not provide any information regarding the student over the phone and would be happy to confirm the information provided that he submit a request in writing to the school with a signed, notarized release of information authorization.

She did inform me that Buxton University, UK and the University of Phoenix Online had partnered in the past and that Buxton University did maintian a separate online site for student course work and was authorized to issue fully accredited Associates, Bachelors, Masters and Doctoral degrees under the banner of Buxton University as prescribed in the agreement between Buxton University, UK and the University of Phoenix Online.

She also informed me that several years ago the Buxton University, UK and the University of Phoenix Online mutually agreed to disolve their association to better serve their respective students in mutual exclusive independent and separate universities.

A search for the Buxton University of Phoenix did locate a listing on the University of Phoenix website at:
http://www.colleges-education.com/phoenix/north-carolina.html
Included in the list of University of Phoenix Online Associate Universities is "Buxton University of Phoenix."

Undoubtedly, there is more to this story than what is now known.

Thanks
Fed Law

 

It should be noted that http://www.colleges-education.com/ is not a University of Phoenix website, but is a marketing group covering many schools.

On the true Phoenix website: www.phoenix.edu/ there is no mention of any of the schools listed at http://www.colleges-education.com/p...h-carolina.html

Using some of the same links you can find several other "schools" which have no relation to Phoenix.

Clicking the link to Buxton University of Phoenix takes you to http://www.directdegree.com/ which does not list Buxton at all.

I wonder if University of Phoenix knows about this "wonderful" opportunity?

 

Buxton is a name that is used for an InstantDegrees scam that mails out diplomas for a modest fee. (modest but way more than what a used piece of paper is really worth) It doesn't even bother having much of a website. Nor do they even bother trying to establish a jurisdiction that they claim to have degree granting powers from. Although Buxton of Phoenix is a new one it appears to be another InstantDegrees reincarnation. Do a search for Buxton on this forum and you won't find anything positive about Buxton.

 

Re: Buxton University of Phoenix Online, UK

What does it tell you that the University of Phoenix won't talk with you about this? It tells me that either no relationship ever existed (in which case they've forwarded this to their attorneys) or that it existed, but then they realized it was likely illegal/fraudulent.

Also, why would you request "...a transcript and an Apostille signed by a Commonwealth Consular and bearing the following statement...?" Given that this is not the usual procedure for Commonwealth universities, it seems an odd request.




Tom Nixon

 

Re: Buxton University of Phoenix Online, UK

What does it tell you that the University of Phoenix won't talk with you about this? It tells me that either no relationship ever existed (in which case they've forwarded this to their attorneys) or that it existed, but then they realized it was likely illegal/fraudulent.

Also, why would you request "...a transcript and an Apostille signed by a Commonwealth Consular and bearing the following statement...?" Given that this is not the usual procedure for Commonwealth universities, it seems an odd request.




Tom Nixon

 

It appears by your response that my posting may have been out of order. I am new to the discussion group and realize that I am a guest on your forum. I sincerely apologize if my posting did not meet proper protocal.

I sincerely appreciate your assessment of the situation. However, it would have been nice to have heard something instead of being ignored.

In response to your question concerning why I asked to see the Apostille.

When applying for the position, the applicant listed on his resume a “Masters in Information Technology, Buxton University of Phoenix, Buxton, UK (Apostille received.)” I have viewed hundreds of resumes and had never before seen Apostille received. This truly tweeked my interest and I asked the applicant about this during the telephone interview.

He explained that this was a document prepared by the UK government and provided to him by the university at graduation. I was even more curious and asked my secretary to request that he bring the document with him for the face-to-face interview.

The applicant brought the document and I reviewed its content, making note of the comment regarding “By affixing their signature, seal, and stamp the approving Consular Officer does attest and certify … .”

After the interview concluded and the applicant left I called a friend who is an attorney and deals with foreign documents. I asked if he had heard of universities providing Apostilles for graduates. (I admit that I am showing my ignorance here.)

He explained the Hague Convention of 1961 and the Apostille process and that this was not a common practice in the US. He also explained that since the Apostille was common practice for European Hague Convention Countries the issuance of an Apostille was expected and universities automatically issue Apostilles to foreign students along with their graduation certificate and transcript at graduation. The term “Apostille received” is common on resumes of Europeans who are applying for positions within the United States who received their education in countries other than their country of origin.

I apologize for being wordy in my response, and for explaining, in detail, information that you probally know. However, this is all new to me.

Based on the information regarding the Apostille, I do have a question that hopefully you can help me with.

Have ther been any legal decision regarding the effect of the Apostille on a university degree that is not legal?

 

It's similar to having a document notarised by a Justice of the Peace. All it means is that an original has been sighted. It DOES NOT mean that the orginal piece of paper has any worth. What evidence do you have suggests that a Buxton degree has any academic worth?

Cheers,

George

 

Oops, I missed your last part.

A Buxton University degree is issued by Buxton University Pty Ltd, a company created via the International Business Corporations Act in the Seychelles. The degree is therefore printed by a company which legally operates as a legal entity - similar to how Ford produces motor cars. The Seychelles Ministry of Education has no knowledge of its operation, as no legislation exists in that juridsdiction re- use of the word 'university'.

Tell you what, give me your credit card details and I will do the same thing for you right now over the net. What name do you want? Fed Law University? We can go into business right now if you want, and make a nice little killing.

Cheers,

George

 

Sir,

I don't know why you say that you were ignored? I thought that you were told multiple times that Buxton is not an institution of higher education.

George also already answered your additional question about the Apostille. Dr. John Bear likes to mention that he has an official and completely legal Apostille that declares that he is pope of the Roman Catholic Church.

Regards,
Bill

P.S. Dr. Bear is not really the pope and since I don't believe he is Roman Catholic, he is not eligible to be the new pope.

 

Gentlemen,

I sincerley appreciate your time and your comments. This has been quite and education.

I didn't mean that I was ignored by anyone in the forum. My comment was directed at being ignored by the personnel at Phoenix University Online who did not return my calls.

You have given me the information I needed to make a critical decision.

Thanks again
FedLaw

 

That makes more sense now. Sorry that I misunderstood.

Take care,
Bill

 

We cover the matter of Apostilles as used by bad and fake schools in our book, Degree Mills.

Our publisher felt it might be in bad taste to depict the one that names me Pope -- so we got one that confirms that my co-author and I have won the Nobel Prize in physics, and that I am the governot of Nebraska.

No one who signs and seals these documents, either at the county, state, or federal level, pays attention to the content.

 

We cover the matter of Apostilles as used by bad and fake schools in our book, Degree Mills.

Our publisher felt it might be in bad taste to depict the one that names me Pope -- so we got one that confirms that my co-author and I have won the Nobel Prize in physics, and that I am the governot of Nebraska.

No one who signs and seals these documents, either at the county, state, or federal level, pays attention to the content.