Panama Canal University

Got a new goatbag from SRU: "Panama Canal University" with URL http://www.world-campus.com/ and domain registration

SRU
Dr. Jallah Faciann, Director [email protected]
377 47 528-637
Fax: none
73 Carey Street
S&G Building West Wing
monrovia, 00000
LR

The PCU URL used to display a site for the now-evaporated "Institute of Executive & Professional Development."

This is not to be confused with the related SRU goatbag "Center State University" at http://www.world-campus.org/.

Will wonders never cease?

G

 

What is your source for this info, and date it was obtained? Current registration shows a whois anonymizer. Not doubting its correctness, just seeking the factual basis for the claim.

 

I'm curious... How quickly can a URL registration be changed? Galanga made his post on 2-7 and on 2-10 Learned Foot says the registration has been anonymized. (Does any legitimate university need a URL anonymizer?)

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the SRU people are involved with this. It certainly fits their pattern.

We all know that the SRU folks read Degreeinfo. They routinely change their websites in response to things posted here.

And somebody on James Crabb's board who posts as Zon7, who I think might be John Dovelos, was quite incensed a couple of days ago about Galanga's original post, so it clearly struck a nerve.

 

WHOIS

Domain registration information is available on the web in all sorts of places. Take a look using Google-- the style of presenation of information differs from site to site and you may find you prefer one site's format to another's.

How long does it take to change a registration? I would guess that the organization managing the registration tries to service requests in a day or so.

Would a legitimate university want to hide its registration information? No, of course not.

A real university wants to display its strengths to the outside world in all ways possible: lists of faculty and information about their accomplishments; details of their curriculum and lists of courses, including course materials; biographical sketches of senior members of the university administration. And PHONE NUMBERS. Lots and lots of phone numbers. And real addresses. Lots of those too. You want to talk to the head of the English Department? You place a call, or email for an appointment. Want to speak to the campus senior information services officer to ask about virus protection on their network? Same thing: you look up the person's contact information in the school's online directory. Want to know the identity of the press that prints their diplomas? You call and ask. Like to know the names of the school's board of trustees? YOU ASK and they'll tell you. Want to speak with the very, very busy president of a real university? You call her/his office and MAKE AN APPOINTMENT. (I would be surprised if you'd be scheduled for more than a few minutes, but I would be even more surprised if a polite request for a five minute conversation was refused.)

G

 

Re: WHOIS

Not sure if my question was not clear or if you are avoiding the issue. I know how to look up whois info on the internet. Obviously I did look up the info and that is how I learned that the current info is different from what you posted. As I said, I don't doubt that the info you posted may have been correct at one time. Likewise, I agree that a legit university has substantially fewer good reasons to shield its registration info than does a bogus one.

I'm just asking where you got it, and when. You didn't answer those questions. That info would give your post greater persuasive weight than it has now. I know you may find it hard to believe, but there are cynics out there who don't take everything you say at face value.

 

2004

Several months ago.

I believe you are impugning my honesty.

G

 

But I'd guess that the move to an anonymous anti-whois registration probably took place very recently.

SRU certainly has a history of changing their webpages in response to things said here, and then claiming with a straight face that it's the way things had always been. They have tremendous experience with their historical white-out.

I do wonder if the SRU crowd might be hedging their bets, considering all the bad press that's SRU has received. It's likely that they are rolling out a number of new "marketing entities" (to use Len's immortal phrase) and hope to cover their tracks, keeping the increasingly controversial SRU connection deeply under wraps.

 

Re: 2004

That is an interesting response.

Perhaps you overlooked the part in my first post where I said "Not doubting its correctness" and in the second post where I said "I don't doubt that the info you posted may have been correct at one time."

In fact I have done no such thing, and if anything have reaffirmed it. Why so defensive? Why so evasive?

Did you ever read the Michael Crichton book "Rising Sun"? The Japanese criminals believed they could get away with submitting a fake security tape because they thought the lazy Americans wouldn't check it.

Obviously SRU thought nobody would check their domain name registration for Panama Canal U. Apparently you did, and apparently you caught them.

So why would you think nobody would check your work? Somebody did and noticed it didn't match. Asking someone to explain the facts in light of an obvious difference between what is said and what exists does not impugn their honesty. This gave you an opportunity to set the record straight, but you are still fumbling the ball.

"Several months ago" is what you stated. Do you not keep particularly precise records? Or any records at all? You still haven't stated the source of the information. Instead you protest about impugned honesty. As I said, that is an interesting response, and it reveals a lot more than you may have intended.

 

Re: Re: 2004

I do not share information of that sort and will not post it here.

 

Internet 101

There is a certain amount of discussion of PCU in a Degreeinformation DL thread. There's also some confusion over the details of the registration for the internet domain www.world-campus.com. Some of it arises from cantankerousness, rather than ignorance, but no matter.

As mentioned in the first post in the current thread, www.world-campus.com had held the material for the "Institute of Executive & Professional Development." It is the registration of the domain, not the creation of the contents of the domain, that triggers the generation of the domain's registration information.

It was the request by the domain registrant for modification of the domain's registration (not the installation of web materials for a different "university" at that domain) that triggered the creation of the latest version of the registration record.

It doesn't mater whether the pages at www.world-campus.com offer university degrees under the names PCU or IE&PD, or are used to sell hot sauce or real estate. The domain registration will not change to reflect the site contents as the site is changed from hawking one "university" to another to red pepper sauce.

G

 

Learned Foot, you're no Learned Hand--you lack the ability to judge.

Impugning galanga's integrity says more about you than it does about galanga.

 

EDITED BY ADMINISTRATOR

 

Let's keep it clean, folks.

 

be polite, and have a look for yourself!

Dear Mr. Foot,

Here, for your amusement, is one you can look up yourself. And after it's changed, you can see that it has been modified! I think this first appeared in a DegreeInfo post from a year ago, but it's still fresh!

Now where might we have seen that name and address before? Well, the Saint Regis one has been kicking around for a couple of years.

How about that fellow who is the "administrative contact" and what about his Spokane address? Why, gosh, it appears in Bill Morlin's article Spokane a 'hot spot' for dubious degrees in the November 30, 2003 edition of the Spokane (Washington) Spokesman-Review.

Holy cow, that's not all! One of the defendants in case no. CV-04-462-RHW, publicly filed in the U.S. District Court of the Eastern District of Washington State, on December 6, 2004 has the same name! (That's the Regis University lawsuit.)

Take a look at http://www.whois.us/ if you don't believe me. But none of this is really the point, right? You're just trying to get my GOAT!

And keep watching that channel: maybe there'll be a change in domain registration and you can SEE IT LIVE (well, maybe tape-delayed) happening right there on the web!

G

 

I can't help but wonder what type of an "education" one gets from Saint Regis University.