Breyer State opens up in B.W.I

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  1. italiansupernova

    italiansupernova New Member

    Some you of may recall a recent post of mine that told how Breyer State had moved "cross-town" in Kamiah and opened up in an Insurance Office. Well, my friends, Breyer State has another new office.

    Recently, galanga posted that Breyer State wanted to teach pre-med courses. Well, here's an expansion upon that thread:

    Why the move to B.W.I? http://www.breyerstate.com/montserrataffiliation.htm

    That link will direct you to Breyer State's affiliation status with the "University of Science, Arts, and Technology" which is "legally chartered by the Government of Montserrat, BWI."

    It further expands upon the medical pre-med courses galanga first mentioned only this time BSU mentions that their degrees can gain them acceptance into USAT's medical school program.

    Breyer State's new office is:
    Montserrat Campus Office
    Mayfield Estate Road
    Olveston, Montserrat British West Indies
    The office is located on the "campus of the University of Science, Arts, and Technology"


    But, looky what 'Nova found! I stopped by a Montserrat tourism page asking myself "Well, if I wanted to visit Montserrat someday where would I stay?" Lucky, for me I found this place!
    http://www.visitmontserrat.com/where_to_stay.htm

    James Hixon Apartments
    Mayfield Estate
    Olveston
    Tel: 664 491 5397 after 4:00pm daily
    or 664 491 6326 8:30am - 4:00pm daily

    Two self contained fully furnished one bedroom apartments.

    Amazingly folks, we have two universities operating out of an apartment complex. I just keep thinking "clowns in a volkswagen".
     
  2. clichemoth

    clichemoth New Member

    Sounds like you won't be staying there . . .

    I mean, only two apartments and they're probably now full of medical students hacking away at cadavers :)

    And does Montserrat even have its own administration now after the volcano-induced evacuations a few years back?
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The University of Phoenix (as the Institute for Professional Development) moved from California to Arizona to get away from WASC. Walden University and the American Public University System moved from their respective states to get away from SACS. But that's about it for legitimate, DL schools. It is not a common practice, and one might question a school's legitimacy when it moves not to attempt accreditation by a different agency, but completely off-shore. :rolleyes:
     
  4. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Monsterrat :rolleyes: (sorry, a colleague from another island gave me that one) is still in a bad way. Two-thirds of the island is still uninhabitable. There are valiant attempts to keep stuff functioning. But great it ain't. And there's no university there. Period. Not local, not "offshore", not a UWI branch, nothing.

    In possibly the stupidest move of the current administration and its State Security apparatchiks, about 200 Montserratians were recently thrown out of the US because their emergency admission to the US was expiring. Yeah right. Thousands flood in from elsewhere and ol' Tex gives 'em blanket approval. Billions to Saudi to grow more terrorists under the auspices of a clerical-fascist thugocracy. But 200 Montserratians? Obviously a threat to Amurrica!

    Sorry. This episode just pissed me off.

    But Montserrat has no higher education system at all. And still doesn't.
     
  5. clichemoth

    clichemoth New Member

    Didn't think so . . .

    Somehow it didn't make sense for a place that barely still exists to have a medical school . . . And I didn't know about the immigration thing . . . That does seem odd, we let any Cuban who can get here stay, not to mention that laws against illegal immigration are only enforced when something hits the media, and yet, 200 people displaced by a natural disaster can't stay? Messed up.

    Of course, mills love places that barely exist . . . The Comoros just got a new democratic government and a new flag earlier this year, however I can find no evidence from their official government site that they've begun any accreditation procedures for higher education as yet.

    Liberia's procedures don't seem to have been reconstructed fully yet, either. . .

    Yet mills claim these nations for their homes, despite the fact that none of them currently have any functioning universities or accrediting bodies and this can be easily determined.

    Credit should go to these nations because they haven't actually given legitimacy to the mills (unlike, say, St. Kitts or Norfolk Island).
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    BSU (a great abbreviation) lists 3 unrecognized accreditors on its website (while decrying the need for accreditation on the same page, I might add). This is silly. They're claiming validation from invalid sources. What is not clear is from where BSU draws its degree-granting authority. (It isn't mentioned on the "accreditation" page.) That is what is meant by "moving off-shore." We'll see over time.
     
  7. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    You know, it's Christmas time, and the mad priest is irresistibly reminded of one of the great church bulletin typos about an old carol:

    "Hark, a shilling voice is sounding / Breyer's near, it seems to say!"
     
  8. galanga

    galanga New Member

    A reminder about BSU

    Here are some things to keep in mind when gauging the accuracy of information presented by Breyer State. They may give some indication of the general credibility of BSU's site.

    1. Accreditation.
    BSU claims its accreditation from three accreditors: the "Central States Consortium of Colleges and Schools," the "International Commission For Higher Education," and the " Accreditation Governing Commission-USA."

    CSCCS is controlled by the " American Institute of Healthcare professionals," which has Breyer State's president, Dominick Flarey, as its executive director. That is a clear conflict of interest and immediately invalidates CSCCS as a legitimate accreditor for Breyer State.

    ICfHE "accredits" a number of entities in the scrofulous Saint Regis group: Fort Young U, PanAmerica U, and Ameritech U. ICfHE accreditation is not legitimate.

    AGC-USA names Richard J. Hoyer as its "Chief Accrediting Commissioner." If you are unfamiliar with Mr. Hoyer's activities, see links to news stories here. Mr. Hoyer's participation renders AGC-USA accreditation meaningless.

    2. "Responsibilities and professional obligations" of the president.
    If someone undertakes too many legitimate activities he/she will have difficulty fulfilling hs/her BSU responsibilities. This should be a cause for concern. Let's look:

    Dominick L. Flarey is BSU's president.
    He is also a Dean and Professor at the unaccredited Canyon College.
    He is a professor of nursing and health care administrator at the unaccredited Robertstown University. (See this post for comments from Dr. Isaac Roland, Director-General of the Liberian National Commission on Higher Education, concerning Robertstown.)
    Flarey is a professor at the unaccredited St. Regis.
    He is also a professor at the unaccredited James Monroe U.

    That's a lot to take on, if we assume that these are all legitimate institutions. Are we to believe that they are, and that BSU's representations are accurate?

    G
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: A reminder about BSU

    Perhaps trying to give BSU the maximum benefit of the doubt here, we could assume that the other responsibilities are totally bogus. (Afterall, we do have overwhelming evidence that SRU/JMU are totally bogus.) Then he would have time to do fine job at BSU. However, having someone associated with BSU that is so deeply involved in academic fraud still makes BSU look like it's probably a fraudulent operation.
     
  10. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I just Googled the University of Science, Arts and Technology.

    Here's what seems to be its webpage:

    http://www.mcl-edu.co.uk/9732.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*

    The 'accreditation' material is interesting (highlighting by me):

    **************

    ACCREDITATIONS -

    The University of_ Science, Arts, and Technology including all Colleges of the University are accredited by the Central States Consortium of Colleges and Schools in the United States, and the Ministry of_ Health and Education, Government of Montserrat._ In addition, the University has been accredited by the American Naturopathic Medical Association, the European Medical Association, ISO 9000, and others.

    The University has been recommended for listing with the World Health Organization in 2004.


    *************

    It's interesting that USAT is claiming that it's graduates can sit for the USMLE exam, based on a listing in another directory. There's more on the WHO listing, Montserratian "accreditation" and whether or not USAT graduates can be licensed as physicians without a WHO listing in a news story below.

    **************

    THE University of Science, Arts, and Technology of Montserrat _is included on the International Medical Education Directory of Medical Schools (IMED/FAIMER) under Montserrat, located in the Caribbean region of the Americas._ Students of the University may sit for the USMLE examinations. The UK program is a College of the University and is included under the main University listing.

    ****************

    Despite USAT purporting to offer not only MDs, but also Ph.D.s, a Google search on academic domains generated these results:

    Your search - "university of science, arts and technology" site:.ac.uk - did not match any documents.

    Your search - "university of science, arts and technology" site:.edu - did not match any documents.

    A General search for the text string "University of Science, Arts and Technology" produced 31 hits.

    4 Breyer State pages, 6 'Excellence in Medical Education' hits that seem to be USAT pages, 3 apparently unrelated hits about something using the same name in Pakistan, 9 shopping guide pages, 5 hits on other search results, one unclassifiable foreign language page, one mysterious page about Kentucky climate, and two hits from the 'Montserrat reporter', the island's local newspaper.

    That led to this Sept. 24, 2004 news story about USAT's failure to obtain a WHO listing as of that date and about who was to blame. The story is kind of fascinating.

    It provides an inside look at how off-shore medical schools receive their WHO listings. Apparently all that's required is that the local jurisdiction forward the school's name to Geneva. The concern in Switzerland seems to be more about the government's soverignty than about its academic processes.

    Montserrat's island government, whose interest seems to be in stimulating local development, obligingly forwarded USAT's name to the WHO, but the application was rejected because Montserrat is a British dependent territory. The application needed the Governor's signature. The Governor wouldn't sign it without the approval of his London superiors.

    The British government in turn is reported to have put all applications from off-shore medical schools in their dependent territories on hold until it can create some kind of accreditation mechanism to inspect their academic standards.

    That concern in London implies, of course, that the Montserratian ministry "accreditation" is quite likely nothing of the sort, at least in the academic quality assurance sense.

    http://www.themontserratreporter.com/archives/2004/september/24News/local/story1D_02.htm
     
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  11. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    If I could put a slightly finer point on this, I would want to know exactly who made the recommendation to WHO (sorry for the pun). If the recommendation was made by the Mailman or the cleaning lady then I don't think it counts for much.
    Jack
     
  12. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    The newspaper story talks about that. They say:

    "He [USAT President Orlen Tulp] said that bureaucratic bungling on the part of government has caused the school not to open its doors. Prof. Tulp said that the school should have been registered with the World Health Organisation (WHO) since 2003.

    The USAT President pointed out that the government should register the school with the WHO but has been falling down on the task. In a brief interview he said that Mrs. Meade [Montserratian Minister of Education, Health, and Community Services Idabelle Meade] had sent a letter to the WHO but it was sent back. The organisation would only accept the governor's signature on the application.

    The document was sent to the Governor's Office for signing, but it was forwarded to the United Kingdom. According to Russ Jarvis, head of the Governor's Office, only the UK can request that the medical school in Montserrat, and other medical schools in its other overseas territories, get onto the WHO list.

    Mr. Jarvis said that the request was sent to Her Majesty's Government and it is now setting up a mechanism to make sure that the school is "up to standard"; This would also apply to all of its overseas territories should they ever want to start a medical school and request to be on the WHO list.


    http://www.themontserratreporter.com/archives/2004/september/24News/local/story1D_02.htm
     
  13. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    A Google search for the text string "Breyer State University" on webpages in the 'ac.uk' domain generated no hits.

    A search for "Breyer State University" in the '.gov' domain generated one hit, the state of Michigan's non-accredited university page.

    A similar search in the '.edu' domain generated ten hits.

    These consisted of one list of DL schools, one Canyon College webpage, three advertisements on university webpages, one hit at 'southwest.edu' and four hits at 'franklin.edu'. (Apparently a Franklin adjunct is getting a Breyer Ph.D. and looking for full-time work.)

    Despite the fact that Breyer boasts Ph.D. programs, I saw nothing of a scholarly nature.

    But Breyer certaily markets itself:

    Results 1 - 26 of about 53,800 for "earn your degree online at breyer state university". (0.62 seconds)
     
  14. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Here's something that's kind of telling:

    Compare...

    Your search - immunology "university of science, arts and technology" - did not match any documents.

    With...

    Results 1 - 100 of about 72,700 for immunology "university of california san francisco". (0.43 seconds)

    The first page of immunology hits for UCSF include things like:

    The University of California San Francisco-Gladstone Institute
    of Virology and Immunology (GIVI)

    The David and Lucile Packard Foundation

    American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology 56th Annual ...

    Past Speakers @ Immunology Graduate Program at...

    FOCIS: Federation of Clinical Immunology Societies

    HHMI Annual Report 1996

    CTLA-4 regulates the requirement for cytokine-induced signals in ...

    Blueprints Notes & Cases - Microbiology and Immunology - Book...

    Work published with BioMed Central by researchers at University of California, San Francisco.

    PACTG Executive Committees and Principal Investigators

    Keio Medical Science Prize-winners(1999)

    ISI Highly Cited Researchers Version 1.1

    Mathematical Biosciences Institute


    And countless more...
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Bye Zone.
    Goodbye, farewell, so long, adios. :D

    Have fun,
    Bill

    P.S. Nice research Bill Dayson
     
  16. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Love it. Three cheers for the Mods and the Bills.
     
  17. italiansupernova

    italiansupernova New Member

    What did I miss? The second page is gone and Zon's posts are removed.

    Obviously, a moderator got rid of him, but what sparked it? I missed all of this.

    Someone care to fill me in here? :)
     
  18. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    I guess I missed it too, although there was a nasty personal attack I saw from him/her.
     
  19. bullet

    bullet New Member

    W.H.O., who?

    Yes. Being "listed" by the W.H.O. , has been used by offshore (off the shores of the U.S.A.) medical schools as some type of endorsement . IT IS ABSOLUTELY MIS-LEADING to claim "W.H.O." RECOGNITION, there is no such thing.

    Neither I.M.E.D. , nor W.H.O. - W.D.M.S. (World Directory of Medical Schools) recognizes any school, they simply compile lists of Home Government Recognized Medical Schools.

    An example?

    Say S.R.u., in alleged complicity with Dr. Bestman, would have sent a letter to W.H.O. and*or I.M.E.D. requesting the "listing" of S.R.u. School of Medicine, well guess what???? Right, you got the point.

    So why the fuss?

    Simple, to sit for the almighty U.S.M.L.E., elegibility is granted by the E.C.F.M.G., the school needs to be W.H.O. or I.M.E.D. listed prior to the graduation of the student, to be elegible to sit for the test, aside from all of the other normal procedures (E.R.A.S. NUMBER, E.C.F.M.G. CERTIFICATION, ETC).

    So, what do medical schools do, that want to capture Americans and Europeans?

    They all promote; "we are recognized by the W.H.O. or I.M.E.D.", -------------------which is BULL-PISS. Yes, they are probably listed, but not recognized.

    By the way, if you are I.M.E.D. or W.H.O. listed, you don't need your medical school to have both, with one listing; that is all you need to sit be elegible to apply to be able to sit for USMLE, in fact a couple of years ago, W.H.O. actually stopped compiling their list of M.D. Schools and the E.C.F.M.G. stepped in to "pick up slack."

    More than one IMG was pooping in their pants!



    :D :D :D:p
     
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  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The Gone Zone seemed to take personal offense at the hypothetical in my response to galanga. I attempted to explain what a hypothetical was but The Gone Zone started playing twisty word games. I attempted to explain that I was not properly motivated to continue the thread along those lines. I can only assume that his response to that was a delightful personal attack (based on Dave's post since I didn't see anything after that) or perhaps The Gone Zone had already been banned under a different alias?*


    *Note that in this explanation I was more interested in being at least mildly entertaining than being super informative.
     

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