SRU Dean of Studies recommends dropping name "Saint Regis University"

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  1. galanga

    galanga New Member

    John Dovelos, Dean of Studies, Chief Provost, and Dean of Behavioral Sciences of the "James Monroe University School of Behavioral Sciences" feels the best course for SRU is to get rid of the name Saint Regis once and for all. He feels that Saint Regis is too gravely harmed by mistaken association with the regionally accredited Regis University because
    Dovelos had been Dean of Studies, etc. etc. of the "St. Regis University School of Behavioral Sciences" before the Saint Regis group responded to the Regis lawsuit by reorganizing its web materials.

    A Chief Provost of a major university unit, commenting publicly on matters of university planning, can be expected to make statements officially sanctioned by his university.

    Perhaps this is a sign of things to come: in an Orwellian turn, the SRU group would discard the name "Saint Regis" and would claim to do so because of public ill-will towards Regis University.

    G
     
  2. clichemoth

    clichemoth New Member

    Whoa, they're on high moral ground now . . . :)

    I assume this is meant to be an anti-Catholic slur directed at Regis U. . . . Can't find any conspiracy nutjobs espousing such a theory anywhere, even on the slimy tax-protesting White Nationalist sites they've cited in the past.

    The closest I could in fact come was a few sites poking fun at Regis Philbin.

    I doubt the national chain of hair salons by the name is staffed with kid-touchers, or the biotech firm, or the resort chain, or any of the several property companies in the US or UK, not to mention Regis U, Massachusetts' legitimate Regis College, any of the many high schools, or Mr. Philbin.

    So, they're now James Monroe University, so maybe someone at James Madison could threaten them this time.

    After all, if they have to reinvent themselves each week, they can't issue worthless degrees, now can they?
     
  3. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    new name for old profiteers

    How about Charles Taylor University? Or Al-Qaeda's Little Helper University? Or Blood Diamonds Polytechnic? Or Beware of Greeks Bearing Gifts University?
     
  4. clichemoth

    clichemoth New Member

    Doubt they're big Taylor fans

    Didn't his administration turn them down?

    Maybe they've greased the new guy's palm?

    Blood Diamonds Polytechnic is catchy, though. :)
     
  5. Len

    Len New Member

    To all out there,

    Firstly, I hope you all had a very blessed Christmas, and I wish you all a very prosperous and brilliant 2005. May all your 2005 endeavours be successful.

    John Dovelos, PhD has asked me to convey the following message to you all:


    "First of all I want to inform you that the way Galanga understood my quoted post from degreeboard is exactly the opposite to what I meant it to convey. It may be my fault in this case as English is not my native language. However, what I meant is that everything SRU, either temporarily or permanently, has been TRANSFERRED to the James Monroe site, so it is natural that my dissertation appears in the electronic journal that is now in that site. That post was written in the context of a question in another post at degreeboard and does not in any way imply that because the site has been transferred, new James Monroe degrees have been issued to me or anybody else, as Galanga has hastily concluded.

    Secondly, I wish to express my amazement on the unbelievable fact that Galanga and others in your forum have been for some time now calling me the "Chief Provost" and, lately, also the "Chancelor" of SRU!!! As this hasty conclusion that I hold those posts at SRU or JMU, obviously based on double vision or some other visual or, perhaps, other defect, has been perpetuating itself and, as usual, it seems to have become "true" for many (nobody there ever cares to double-check?), I'd like to make the following statement:

    The only occasion in which my name appears in association with the words "Chief Provost" in the SRU and now JMU website is the following, "Chief Provost and Dean of Behavioral Sciences of Athenaeum International". Please read carefully, I hope this misunderstanding which you have been spreading as one of your "truths" is quite evident and no further explanations are needed.

    I do not hold and never have I held the positions of Chief Provost or Chancelor or any other position of an administrative nature either at Saint Regis or James Monroe universities.

    Clear enough Mr Galanga and others? I suggest you get a new pair of glasses or whatever other prosthetics you may need and soon.

    John S. Dovelos"
     
  6. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Aw, Comrade Enver's obfuscating again. What with Langdell's sudden reappearance sticking something up Robertstown, and Len dutifully conveying the latest Megali Idea, this appears to be a coordinated (sic) effort by the St Regis boys. Servants of the Druj once and forever...
     
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  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Great. Now we're channeling degree mill operators. Just great.:rolleyes:
     
  8. bullet

    bullet New Member

    sue

    Dr John Dovelos,

    Did you imply on some other board that , galanga shall have his?

    I took this to mean legal action, yes?


    No one associated with St Regis is willing to set foot in a court of law, someone says "law" and like cartoons, St Regis admin, runs for life!

    :p :D
     
  9. galanga

    galanga New Member

    Chief Provost and Dean of Behavioral Sciences...

    ...on the SRU site without an "of Athenaeum International University Center" modifier is attached.

    AIUC was the "St. Regis University School of Behavioral Sciences." Generally a provost is the chief officer for academic affairs at a university, and not for a department, institute, or "school."

    I would spell that word "chancellor" not "chancelor."

    Len, good holiday season to you. You succeed in maintaining a civil tone, even in the face of vigorous challenges from DegreeInfo posters. That speaks well of you, and I respect you for that

    G
     

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  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: SRU Dean of Studies recommends dropping name "Saint Regis University"

    Thank you, Len, for the post and wishing us a merry Christmas. I wish you happy holidays in return.

    I was intrigued by the paranthetical comment in the above piece that I quoted above. Is there some official trust worthy place that we can go to check on this type of information? I also note that John Dovelos, PhD didn't bother to mention who is the "Chief Provost" or the "Chancelor" (since he's not). Can you please provide that information? The best place that I know for ownership and administrative information on these type of institutions that don't seem to usually make this information public is Bears' Guide. If there's a better place then please let us know.

    Thanks,
    Bill
     
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  11. Len

    Len New Member

    "Hi, I truly wish you all a very happy New Year despite everything that has happened.
    I have a confession to make, I had absolutely nothing against any of you and I even appreciated and respected certain members of your forum, until a few months ago when an entire thread, 3 or 4 pages long, suddenly disappeared and I was banned without a warning or an explanation.
    In that thread, which had not been started by me but by Galanga, I was as civil and appreciative of comments and suggestions as anyone could be. I simply answered questions and provided whatever information it was required of me.
    The last post I had time to read before the thread vanished, made certain thinly veiled suggestions to the administrators, some of you know what I mean, immediately after those suggestions the thread simply disappeared.
    I bet that most of you would have taken personal offence and thought the worst of people engaging in such behavior.
    Galanga, I do apologize for the twice repeated typo in the word "Chancellor" and thank you for the correction.
    Dr Jallah Faciann has been the administrative head of SRU for some time now. His name appeared in the SRU site, but it has dissapeared from the JMU site. I don't know the reasons for that, it may be just an oversight, but Dr Faciann continues to be the top administrator of SRU now JMU.
    Although a good portion of the page quoted by Galanga is missing, he may be right. Probably the qualifier, Athenaeum International, was missing and was added later. I'm going to find out about that.
    However, the SRU now JMU schools are independent from SRU, now JMU. Whatever appears on the schools' pages refers to the schools and not SRU.
    And, again, I've never been involved in any way or form in the administration of SRU or JMU. My only real connection with these universities is that I agreed to an affiliation which consists only of making my school of Behavioral Sciences directly available to SRU now JMU students. That's all.

    Again, my sincere best wishes to all of you.

    John S. Dovelos"
     
  12. Len

    Len New Member

    Re: Re: Re: SRU Dean of Studies recommends dropping name "Saint Regis University"

    Hi Bill,

    Unfortunately I cannot help you, as I opted out of SRU quite some time ago and have had had nothing to do with them for some time now. What is happening there is their business and quite frankly I don't want to even get into anything to do with SRU.

    All that I have seen is that the whole SRU website seems to have been moved, and that's what I know.

    My friendship with John Dovelos is one not only restricted to academics, but also personal, hence him and I corresponding a lot.

    As to who really is the SRU Chief Provost and Chancellor - your guess is as good as mine. Without a website to check on, nobody knows. Perhaps you can e-mail and find out from him personally?

    Regards and please don't overdo it with the new years eve parties!

    Len.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: SRU Dean of Studies recommends dropping name "Saint Regis University"

    Hi Len,

    I know that it wasn't your words but, you posted the words. We were chastized for not double checking. Where can one double check on this type of information? Apparently there's no place to really double check? :) On top of that it would seem from the jpeg posted by galanga that there was some apparent inconsistency in John Dovelos's statement with what had been on the web at one time?

    Thanks for the wise suggestion regarding partying. I do enjoy an alcoholic beverage every now and then but haven't enjoyed getting intoxicated since my much wilder much much younger years. You too take care, though.
     
  14. Len

    Len New Member

    Hi Bill,

    Well, 2004 went and 2005 arrived, and I still feel the same - must have done something right over this period!

    I am also doing some research about who is who at SRU and will post this as soon as I have that info. Alternatively, I suggest that you log onto James Monroe's website and see who's who there - maybe send them an e-mail?

    I have changed my profile, as I have been transferred back from Tanzania to South Africa and I now reside in Johannesburg - so no more Internet blues for me.

    Regards,

    Len.
     
  15. galanga

    galanga New Member

    a technical question about awarded degrees

    Happy New Year, Len.

    Since you mentioned that you're going to be looking into some of the details of Saint Regis, perhaps you could also clarify the connection between the degrees awarded by SRU, James Monroe, and Robertstown. On the RU web site one finds that John Dovelos' THE NATURE OF SOCIAL PHOBIA AND ITS TREATMENT WITH EGO-STATE THERAPY has the by-line "John Dovelos, Doctor of Philosophy, Robertstown University, Monrovia, Liberia, 2003."

    On the James Monroe site one finds THE NATURE OF SOCIAL PHOBIA AND ITS TREATMENT WITH EGO-STATE THERAPY with the by-line "John Dovelos, Doctor of Philosophy, James Monroe University, Monrovia, Liberia, 2003."

    Does a degree awarded by one of SRU-RU-JMU automatically generate the award of a degree from the other two? There had been a cooperative arrangement between Breyer State and SRU of this sort, if I recall correctly.

    thanks,
    G
     
  16. Len

    Len New Member

    Well, what I can do is find out if John Dovelos is happy that I post his e-mail address here at DI, and then I'm sure you can all direct your queries to him directly - quite frankly I am just not interested in digging into JMU/RU/SRU at this stage. I said my say to them on my last post there some time ago - and all admin staff at SRU know exactly how I feel. (I dared to post stuff on their forum which made the moderators mad as hatters, and they curtailed me - so be it. Was something to the tune of "wake up and smell the coffee........").

    Kindly also note that I have broken off my ties with John Dovelos's Athenaeum University Center; the reasons for this are personal and John and I still remain friends.

    I'll contact John and come back to you.

    Regards,

    Len
     
  17. Len

    Len New Member

    John Dovelos has come back to me and said that he does not represent SRU, and that any queries that you might have must please be sent to RU & JMU directly.

    Regards,

    Len.
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the post Len.

    Since we're posting denials, I would like to say that John Bobfish (who I have not communicated with, do not know, and just made up) does not represent Sucatash Junior College (also just made up). :D

    Cheers,
     

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