Saint Regis University School of Natural and Health Sciences

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  1. galanga

    galanga New Member

    SRU now includes a School of Natural and Health Sciences in its stable. It is called the "Charles Darwin Learning Center" and informs us that "bachelors, Masters, and Ph.D. curriculum programs are offered in a variety of natural and health science specializations."

    It is run by Arcie G. Mizelle, who has a small presence on the web:At the bottom of the SRU SNHS's intro page is this disclaimer:
    Athenaeum International is John Dovelos' organization, formerly named University College of Advanced Studies; that name has been adopted by the Saint Regis group for one of its entities.

    The programs listed by the SRU School of Natural and Health Sciences include PhDs in biology and chemistry. But the links are screwey: the bio link takes you to a "Bachelor of Science in Psychology" page. The physics masters link takes you to a "Bachelor of Science in Grief Counseling and Bereavement Education" page. That's not quite the same thing.

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  2. Dr.C

    Dr.C New Member

    Interestingly as always, the past educational qualifications for application do not include a high school diploma..or the ability to read at a 4th grade level etc.

    Tom C.
     
  3. amizelle

    amizelle New Member

    School of Natural Health Sciences

    Hello, I just joined this group so please excuse me for responding late. I am Arcie Mizelle. I am responsible for the webpages which describe the online program of the School of Natural Sciences that are on the SRU website.

    First, I do not offer degrees through the Charles Darwin Learning Center. I do not intend to offer degrees. I have been building the curriculum and study programs for the SNHS. Yes, you are correct there were some mistakes in the links on the pages that had been upload too early (I wanted to test them). I have not had an opportunity to upload the final pages but will as soon as I can.

    Second, the comments about me "claiming" to be a Vietnam POW are incorrect and should not have been brought up in this forum. I have never made any statements to that effect. The information contained in the referenced site is inacurrate. I know who put that information on the net and why. Suffice it to say I am dealing with that issue.

    Lastly, please understand that my intent is to improve the SRU presence and the quality of the programs offered on the web. I will endeavor to continue to improve the course offerings and will be using several internet based course providers with excellent credentials to provide course content. I encourage you to watch the changes and improvements to course material as this site develops. I also ask that you be constructive in your suggestions. When I make mistakes let me know. Also, I would appreciate some positive input when I do things right.

    Thank you.;)
     
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  4. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    Re: School of Natural Health Sciences


    Unless you have specific experience in making a silk purse from a sow's ear, you're unlikely to be successful.

    In order to be successful, you would have to start from some point of legitimacy and that just doesn't exist with SRU.



    Tom Nixon
     
  5. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    It's a small world after all... (everybody sing!)

    Small bloody world. The Mexican university which produced A. Mizelle's collaborator, E. Scheinbarth, is the very one which produced the illicit "doc #1" mentioned in my post about the exigencies of finding a legitimate physician in a depressed rural area. :rolleyes:

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17128
     
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  6. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    two, two, two mints in one

    A. Mizelle does not read carefully. A. Mizelle sent me a PM claiming I said that
    E. Scheinbarth WAS "doc #1", and telling me to stop it.

    I cain't stop whut I ain't done.

    It's just odd that two graduates of the same Mexican university should be currently involved in two dubious enterprises involving medicine at the same time--and that, ostensibly, on two different continents.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Since SRU is a blatant diploma mill, I'm pleased in a way that they appear to possibly be branching out into the medical field. It is the best way to get the authorities interested in prosecuting a diploma mill.

    I'll be keeping my fingers crossed.
     
  8. amizelle

    amizelle New Member

    To uncle janko

    I want everyone in this discussion group to know I did not send a private message to uncle janko saying that he had accussed Dr. Scheinbart of being "Doc#1". He is right I did send a private message. What I did say was, that it's not right for him to compare the two doctors just because they graduated from the same school. He has no idea who Dr. Eric Scheinbart is. Dr. Scheinbart is a board certified M.D. with an excellent patient record and should be respected for that.

    His next post mentions that Dr. Scheinbart is associated with SRU. (excuse me, hints at the fact that Dr. Scheinbart is disreputable with the Mexico medical school and "doc#1 statements) Where did he get that? Dr. Scheinbart is an associate of mine that worked with me in a research capacity working on a successful and now patented treatment for multiple myeloma. He is in no way connected with SRU. He was mentioned on this discussion group simply because the "peer reviewed" and published paper we worked on is readily available on the internet.

    BTW, I sent the private message to uncle janko because I didn't want to bring my request that he leave Dr. Scheinbart out of this discussion as a public forum. Lastly, maybe uncle janko should check out the list of distiguished American physicians and surgeons practicing in the US who graduated from University of Guadalajara in Mexico.

    Thank you all for listening.

    P.S. The next post saying that the SNHS at SRU was now offering medical degrees is incorrect. I do offer curriculum in Alternative Medical Science which is an academic program not a professional program. Thanks for paying attention to the programs.
     
  9. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    A veritable festival of eisegesis, misrepresentation,
    and "methinks the lady doth protest too much."

    If A. Mizelle complains that his doubletalk is misunderstood
    even when the doubletalk hasn't been commented upon--yet,
    he may be too nervous for the task he has undertaken.

    It could be all the milling about.

    Not even on the salon des refusés is it possible to shill for St Regis with impunity.

    Certainly not here. Not now. Not ever.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    SRU is a blatant degree mill. They have lied many times that they're "turning their program around" after being caught in diploma mill tactics. I believe that we're well past the point of no return for this degree mill. Even if miracles happened and it wasn't intended to be another lie this time, their diploma mill reputation is so entrenched that no one will believe it even if the miracle happened. The difference between this and the story about the boy who cried wolf is that in this case, I don't believe that we'll ever see a real wolf in this SRU story.
     
  11. deanhughson

    deanhughson New Member

    weird credentials

    looking at this guy's website I believe Uncle is right on this..

    http://www.cancercontrolsociety.com/bio2002/scheinbart.html

    The Maharishi training might be good if you want to learn to fly (actually they hop but don't tell them since their eyes are closed when they are doing it)but does little to impress me with medical credentials. The Board he claims isn't a mainstream recognized Board.
     

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