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    Question Pacific Western University

    Need more information about this university.
    Is it an accredited university or a diploma mill?
    Thanks for your help!

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    PWU has been shown to be a degree mill by a TV journalist. Here's a thread that discusses it.

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthr...threadid=13686

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    Re: Pacific Western University

    Originally posted by robine55
    Need more information about this university.
    Is it an accredited university or a diploma mill?
    Thanks for your help!
    Yes a degree mill. But many are using it for teaching purposes.

    Fernando Fernandez is a full professor at "Universidad de Monterrey" with a PhD from PWU

    http://www.udem.edu.mx/posgrado/profesorado/


    The degree might be bogus but some universities are unaware of this.

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    Re: Pacific Western University

    Originally posted by robine55
    Is it an accredited university or a diploma mill?
    They are not accredited.

    Their webpage says that they are a member of AACSB and then talks about how AACSB is a member of CHEA, but that's misleading, probably intentionally so. Membership in AACSB is available to anyone who pays the membership fee and is not the same thing as accreditation by AACSB.

    http://www.pwu-ca.edu/pages/home.asp

    Here's a link to an earlier thread on PWU. It has a link to a KCBS TV story that reports that the president of PWU made some damaging admissions about the school to an undercover reporter.

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthr...threadid=13686

    PWU is something from the underside of the CA-approved rock where all the slimy things crawl around.

    I would certainly avoid it.

    Editorial addition: Wow. My Degreeinfo colleagues certainly aren't asleep. There were no replies, so I pounded out a response and hit 'return', only to find that Khan, Bill Huffman and RFValve already beat me to it.
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    Re: Pacific Western University

    Originally posted by robine55
    Need more information about this university.
    Is it an accredited university or a diploma mill?
    Thanks for your help!
    Pacific Western is not accredited.

    When California had a 3-tier system for degree-granting schools, the lowest was "Authorized." Schools at this level only had to submit an application addressing 13 areas and claim $50,000 in assets (which wasn't checked carefully). Later, they had to state that they offered at least some form of instruction, but this was never evaluated by the state.

    The second level was "Approved," where the state would evaluate one or more of a school's degree programs and approve them. This carried a bit more weight, and at least had some semblance of evaluation and oversight.

    The third was "Accredited."

    Pacific Western always operated at the "Authorized" level. It was never "Approved." When California changed its law, eliminating the "Authorized" category, the state required schools to become approved or close. Some closed, some moved (or, at least, moved their licenses, even if they didn't actually move the school), and a few got approved.

    Pacific Western did two of these. They got one set of programs approved, then "moved" the rest under Hawaii's much more lenient laws. (PWU never actually moved, of course, and it is interesting that California puts up with this flim-flam.)

    Whether or not Pacific Western is a diploma mill is in the eye of the beholder. But it is not recognized as a university by any competent educational authority, except for its few California-Approved programs.

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    Thumbs up Re: Re: Pacific Western University

    Originally posted by BillDayson
    They are not accredited.

    Their webpage says that they are a member of AACSB and then talks about how AACSB is a member of CHEA, but that's misleading, probably intentionally so. Membership in AACSB is available to anyone who pays the membership fee and is not the same thing as accreditation by AACSB.

    http://www.pwu-ca.edu/pages/home.asp

    Here's a link to an earlier thread on PWU. It has a link to a KCBS TV story that reports that the president of PWU made some damaging admissions about the school to an undercover reporter.

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthr...threadid=13686

    PWU is something from the underside of the CA-approved rock where all the slimy things crawl around.

    I would certainly avoid it.

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    Everything that Rich Douglas says is 100% accurate. Back in 1995, Stephen Forte (son of the PWU president) hired me to create 2 web sites for them. One each for Pacific Western University Hawaii (close by the state of Hawaii in May 2006 for years of non-compliance ) and Pacific Western University California. I stopped doing business with them shortly there after as I didn't like the way that they do business (defrauding their customers/students).

    While in Westwood, they had no campus. Just an office that was shared by Stephen Forte's shady cellular rental business. You now, the kind that charges you $2-4/min domestically, and $10/min for international. Anywho, I was checking to see where they stood today and was appalled to learn that they moved down here to San Diego. The California Department of Education is now investigating them under their new name, California Miramar University.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercsd View Post
    Everything that Rich Douglas says is 100% accurate. Back in 1995, Stephen Forte (son of the PWU president) hired me to create 2 web sites for them. One each for Pacific Western University Hawaii (close by the state of Hawaii in May 2006 for years of non-compliance ) and Pacific Western University California. I stopped doing business with them shortly there after as I didn't like the way that they do business (defrauding their customers/students).

    While in Westwood, they had no campus. Just an office that was shared by Stephen Forte's shady cellular rental business. You now, the kind that charges you $2-4/min domestically, and $10/min for international. Anywho, I was checking to see where they stood today and was appalled to learn that they moved down here to San Diego. The California Department of Education is now investigating them under their new name, California Miramar University.
    There should be an old thread on PWU. IIRC, it said that PWU (California) in 2006 was sold to a chiropractor from either Texas or Florida. (I forget which.) He then changed the name to California Miramar University after toying with the idea of using the name California University. He changed that plan after the University of California system threatened to sue. I have looked at their campus from Miramar Road while I drove by. It is very near the 15 freeway. To be fair, I don't think that it is as slimy now as when PWU (Hawaii) was around. Not that it means much unless they are approved, but, they did apply for DETC accreditation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Huffman View Post
    There should be an old thread on PWU.
    http://www.degreeinfo.com/search.php?searchid=227340
    http://www.degreeinfo.com/search.php?searchid=227344
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    Pacific Western University

    But if Pacific Western University is now California Miramar University (CMU ) is accredited by both ACICS and DETC. How is it possible to obtain accreditation if California Department of Education is investigating them?
    CMU faculty has few members with PhD's from unaccredited Universities.

    Migara

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    But if Pacific Western University is now California Miramar University (CMU ) is accredited by both ACICS and DETC. How is it possible to obtain accreditation if California Department of Education is investigating them?
    CMU faculty has few members with PhD's from unaccredited Universities.

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    Probably with a time machine. (Look at the dates of the relevant posts in this thread. PWU's days are apparently over.)

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    Yes, CMU is now accredited by DETC.

    I suspect that many graduates of PWU think that their alma mater became accredited but are mistaken. PWU apparently kept internal track as to whether the degree was bestowed through PWU (Hawaii) or PWU (California) and they must have felt more secure in internally listing the degrees as coming from Hawaii but weren't typically up front with their customers as to which entity they got their degree from. CMU has apparently always insisted that they had nothing to do with the PWU (Hawaii) organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Huffman View Post
    Yes, CMU is now accredited by DETC.

    I suspect that many graduates of PWU think that their alma mater became accredited but are mistaken. PWU apparently kept internal track as to whether the degree was bestowed through PWU (Hawaii) or PWU (California) and they must have felt more secure in internally listing the degrees as coming from Hawaii but weren't typically up front with their customers as to which entity they got their degree from. CMU has apparently always insisted that they had nothing to do with the PWU (Hawaii) organization.
    And DETC accredited that mess. Ouch. I hope they've truly gotten it untangled, and that CMU has nothing at all to do with the Hawaii "thang."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Douglas View Post
    And DETC accredited that mess. Ouch. I hope they've truly gotten it untangled, and that CMU has nothing at all to do with the Hawaii "thang."
    It is an extremely ugly historical mess. CMU is located very near me, although I've never done anything except drive by.

    I go to lunch on Fridays with a few long time friends. They are bemused (but mostly bored) with my strange inexplicable facination with unaccredited schools. So on Fridays when it was my turn to drive I would sometimes suggest (threaten) that we all spend our lunch visiting CMU to see if they would sell us a doctorate or two. Which gave my friends the perfectly reasonable opportunity to question my sanity.

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