San Antonio Public School Educators with Questionable Degrees

Here is another interesting article on educators in the San Antonio, Texas public school system that were found to have questionable degrees. I guess they didn't learn a lesson from their fellow Atlantan educators.

http://www.woai.com/troubleshooters/story.aspx?content_id=6A096E2C-CED5-468F-8250-3ACB5D390EAA

 

(While Northeast officials claim they verify degrees, they refused to explain to the Trouble Shooters how they missed Johnson’s bogus degree for the last two years.)



Great example of employers failing to do their jobs. Unless they hired everyone in the district at the same time there is no excuse for their failure to follow up on these degrees...

 

the schools they went to

Hamilton is the most popular. The "questionable degrees" came from here:

3: Hamilton Univ.
2: Lasalle Univ.
2: Cambridge State Univ.
1: Crescent City Christian College
1: Vision International Univ
1: Logos Christian College
1: Laureate Univ.
1: Kennedy Western
1: Univ. of Palmers Green
1: Logos Bible College
1: Lacrosse Univ.
1: Berne Univ.

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I see a big problem here for the San Antonio School System. Berne University and Ross University hold the same accreditation, and Ross' graduates are allowed to practice in the State of Texas. Also, Ross' prgram is recognized by Texas A & M:

http://www.rossvet.edu/Veterinary_School/Instructional_Sites/instructional_sites.html
Texas A & M

 

Thats odd, because I've talk to folks at A&M before and they said they didn't recognize Ross, maybe they have changed their tune.....

 

Some of these aren't questionable at all. They're unquestionably bogus (Palmers Green, for example).

 

Just quoting the article's title!
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verification is SO SIMPLE

Verification:

HR: Dr. Job candidate, who were your examinrers and your dissertation readers ? Please provide me with their names, e-mail addresses and telephone numbers so I can call them and verify your credentials.

"Dr."Candidate: duhhhh--no examiners, no faculty, no exams, no orals, no work--just my purchased Ph.D.--ain't that good enough ? I'm a teacher, after all, and we believe in pay by degrees.

 

Need to clarify classification

I think this situation proves that it is a down right "diploma mill" if a college or university simply asks you to do minimal work and send in a fee. It is hard to believe that these educators and administrators would stoop that low. My only concern is that if someone has earned a degree from an unaccredited school, that does require legitimate work, then that school should be listed as unaccredited and not labeled as a "diploma mill." This is our problem is that just because a school is non-accredited, whether it is legitimate or not, we just label it a "diploma mill." There needs to be some distinction as to what the classification should be. I think if the person who is applying for a job is honest, and the school is legitimate, there should be no problems. However, that is where the problem lies. Who is to make that distinction? The schools labeled in this investigation are definately names that are schools that are less than substandard.

 

ROSS MD's

Ross MD graduates practice all through the US. As far as I can tell they can practice in all states except California where you need to do your rotations in the country you graduate from.

 

What are rotations?

 

I believe that all new physicians have to do time in different specialties, so if you're going to be a urologist, you have to do some time observing/practicing pediatrics & internal medicine, or some other combinations of specialties.

I know this only because one of the physicians who observed my wife's C-section mentioned that he was going into psychiatry, and would be glad when his rotations were over.

 

FEDERAL DEPT OF EDUCATION

Hello:

Been reading for some time the posts on the many different problems the United States has with Superior Education.

Even though I come from a third world country no doubt we have not been "treated" to the problem with schools that are Degree Mills, don't have accreditation or has it but its from a state, or maybe has the R.A. (region accreditation).

I think (no expert) that the UNITED STATES would greatly benefit from establishing a FEDERAL BOARD OF SUPERIOR EDUCATION. All Universities would first have to seek Federal Government approval; after they have this, then they re-new with the state.

We do not have these Degree Mills. Why? We have a Superior Board of Education. All permits go through them.

point number 2) Again NO EXPERT. Just thinking aloud.

Our country could not call another country University a degree mill. If a university has a permit to operate, no matter how good or bad the public opinion is of this operation, they can operate.

Very Good.

 

Re: FEDERAL DEPT OF EDUCATION

 

Thanks for the rotations tip. Never knew what that was.

 

This is essentially correct. There are so many specialties that med student must choose what areas they wish to acquaint themselves with. A student who is certain of their path (towards surgery, towards neurology, etc.) must still go through these "rotations" during which they are expected to perform at high levels. It's a bit like someone who knows they want to get their degree in History being told they must take courses in Mathematics, Anthropology and Music. Many medical students use these rotations to help them decide on their specialty area but others simply suffer through them and hope that they get a really good residency in their preferred area. They must apply to specific hospitals for their residencies. It's especially competitive and many an Internist has been born as a result of not obtaining their preferred residency.
Jack

 

richard douglas

Richard:

There is education beyond the borders of your own country, if you wish to live under a different pretense, whatever.

Attempts to justify Diploma mill operations?

Absurd.

Diploma Mills need no justification, they do just fine on there own. A discussion Board is not powerful enough to justify operating any business.

My country does not have problems with Diploma Mills, its that simple. There is not wiggle room on the topic.

From the boards it seems the biggest consumer of the Diploma Mills are the USA. It also seems that the majority of these diploma mills are inside of the USA.

I dont know if the USA LAWS allow a Federal Law to regulate education, what I am thinking is it would once and for all resolve the problem.

A school applies for Federal University License.

The student then contacts this office and asks for example, is this University Registered?

If the Superior Education Dept. says yes.......then all is well. If not, no money is lost.

Thus the reason why my country has a Superior Education Commission. Lots of latin countries do. Consejo Superior de Educacion. See?

Just because you do not know about it or have never heard of it does not mean it does not exist.

Seems like more american arrogance the way you pick at what I post.

You can become as defensive as you want, the problem with Degree Mills is much larger than just internet and a click of the button.

I read with great interest the attempts of the readers to justify the degrees they have:

"mine if from state accreditation"
"mine is good education university but not accredited"
"mine is accredited by the RA association so it is the best".
"mine is from a University that has a state license but the state says it is not accredited".


It seems to me the entire cost of education, no time to study, big family, cost of living, contribute to the problem.

As much as I read on the subject, I cannot understand so many different accreditation for degrees the USA has. Besides if I am correct (I am not sure) I understand the accreditation is done by Private Companys in the USA, correct?

Much simpler solution:

Create a Federal Office for Superior Education.

No more local american diploma mills.

 

Re: richard douglas

Unless, of course, you count Warwick's International Studies in Buenos Aires, as they offer degrees from Pacific Western University (Hawaii). They also used to offer degrees from another degree mill, Wittfield University International. You might also want to count Open Universities Management Center, which also offers PWU degrees.

Moreover, and perhaps even more troubling, Universidad Abierta Interamericana, a large private university with legal but questionable approval, still maintains a joint venture to offer PWU degrees in Argentina (all of this was previously discussed in this post).

Degree mills are a global problem and Argentina is not immune. It’s that simple.

 

good idea

Gus,

Very Good.

I live in Argentina.

But I am not from Argentina. I grew up in central america and Argentinians think they are "european" (grin).


Ufff, if we are to dig the problems as you present them, the list is probably infinishable (sp?).

Lots of Latin Universities love to claim affiliation and excahnge programs with american universities.

Take for example the Kennedy-Western University. With a $25 million a year operation, for latin america this is HUGE. Would a latin country consider this a real university? Yes.

If you present the problem to a Latin American University Board and try to explain so many region, national, state, accredited, not accredited, this, that and the other...................its confusing.

But say the KW university, presents a plan for affiliation with UNIVERSIDAD DE BUENOS AIRES.

They show:

1) The License of the State.
2) Employment records, in private industry (of graduates)
3) Employment records with the Americano Government (of graduates).
4) Good Professors
5) Complete Academia


It would be very hard to deny this University would be graded as legitimate.

Good.

 

Re: good idea

Then I would guess your country has quite a problem with degree mills considering that is exactly what K-W is.