Liberian embassy in Paris statement about Saint Regis

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by galanga, Jul 2, 2004.

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  1. galanga

    galanga New Member

    The web site of the UNESCO headquarters in Paris gives this information as the contact address and phone number for the "Permanent Delegation to UNESCO" of the Republic of Liberia. The phone number on that page is the number of the Liberian Embassy in Paris.

    Since we hear so much about the "Permanent Delegation of the Republic of Liberia to UNESCO" I called them in Paris to ask about the official status of Saint Regis. I spoke to the consul, who said his name was "Ahmet," though I am unsure of the exact spelling. He asked that I call back in an hour so that he could investigate.

    When I called back, he said "As far as we know, this university does not exist." I thanked him and rang off.

    G
     
  2. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    ROFL!
     
  3. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    This is sort of like that 1950's baseball skit done by Abbott and Costello:
    Who's on first
    What's on second
    I don't know's on third.
    No matter how hard you try, SRU will always find ways to redeem themselves. :rolleyes:
     
  4. candyman

    candyman New Member

    These claims are very curious, mostly because the Liberian Embassy in Paris has been closed for some time.

    When it was open, the man in charge was Christopher Miniton, who is back in Liberia.

    Also the only Consul in Paris that has anything whatsoever to do with Liberia is an office that is run mostly by Parisians, (and no Liberians) and they only broker businesses in Liberia for anyone that might be interested. Perhaps this call was made to Paris Texas?

    I also find very curious that you keep insisting to anyone that will listen that SRU does not exist while it is easy to verify that it does and that it is properly accredited, and that you seem to spend an awful lot of time on this subject.

    By the way, there was no one there named anything close to "Ahmet", but IF there was I am SURE you'd have at least asked for the spelling and a last name.

    If you don't believe me, just pick up a phone and call yourself.

    Galanga, you got some splainin' to do!
     
  5. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    Not to sound like a broken record, but if SRU is so legit, why have 10 teachers in Georgia and several other people lost jobs. Why does it seem that all SRU grad have a GPA 3.5 (according to a Evaluation firm in Georgia) and finally, to the best of my knowledge, not a single NACES firm will find an SRU degree to be RA Equiv.
     
  6. Chip

    Chip Administrator


    To borrow from Steve Levicoff:

    St. Regis is a fraud, fake, scam, ripoff, swindling, bogus school.

    It's been shown over and over that the Liberian "accreditation" is a joke, and St. Regis set up its own fake embassy site, fake Liberian accreditor, and so forth. This has been written about many times by respected news sources who would undoubtedly have been sued if the statement weren't true.

    I don't know what your agenda is with regard to St. Regis, but I would wager you're either a St. Regis apologist, a St. Regis fraudulent degree holder, or both.

    It's fine to post an opposing viewpoint here, but don't misrepresent the facts.
     
  7. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    So do you, Candyman.

    You just posted what, assuming it's true, seems to be insider information, including names and current locations of Liberian diplomatic staff. How do you know these things?

    Obviously something exists, if only a web presence. Nobody questions that. The questions concern precisely what, and where, SRU is.

    You tell us that SRU is "properly accredited". What does that mean exactly? What should an inquirer conclude upon receiving this information?

    In particular, does it mean that SRU should be accepted by Americans as being RA-equivalent? If it means something else, then what?
     
  8. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member


    Then pray tell, why is it on the St Regis website?? If something was invented, perhaps it was SRU with the imagination.
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Perhaps it is difficult to be as good as Sadam's Iraqi Information Minister on an Internet forum compared to doing it on international news but, I still think that the good ol' Iraqi Information Minister should be hired by SRU for their public relations. I think it might even improve the public opinion that people have of SRU. ;)
     
  10. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    If he started posting to Degreeinfo, we couldn't see the unflappable expression, the way he refused to let life's little annoyances (like enemy tanks) get in the way of the story he was telling.

    (An inspiration to all of us, especially here in California.)

    We'd just see the words: SRU exists! SRU is properly accredited!.

    But with no pressed fatigues and no jaunty beret, who'd believe it?
     
  11. Alan Contreras

    Alan Contreras New Member

    I don't understand the argument that St. Regis is automatically ok because it is a legitimate Liberian college. Even if it had Liberian government approval equivalent to, say, Cuttington (which it does not), everyone knows that as a functional matter it sells degrees for cash and is a fraud.

    Given that its true nature is so obvious, what is the purpose of defending its national approval? It's not as though that approval, even if it were real, is binding on any agency, public or private. What matters is what the entity is and does. It is a mail-order degree mill. It sells degrees. It is a perp.

    To put it another way, a private business or public agency in the U.S. could decide tomorrow that it will not accept degrees issued by Tokyo University because they are not U.S. degrees. Likewise, they could decide not to accept degrees from Columbia Southern because they don't think DETC approval is good enough.

    Approval is one of those necessary but not sufficient factors. Without it an entity cannot speak. With it, the entity can have a conversation, but it might not persuade anyone. The subsurface gurgling we hear (reminiscent of Phantom of the Opera, wonder why) is St. Reptile attempting to converse without having legitimate approval.

    So why bother defending St. Reptile on grounds that it has Liberian approval? It could have Finnish approval, Chinese approval, Nebraska approval and Martian approval, too, but it would still be a fake.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    There are no Americans anywhere near the Baghdad airport and if there were any Americans in that area then they would be dead. If there were any live Americans near the Baghdad airport, they would be running away because they know that they will be dead if they don't run away or they may be committing suicide as we speak. So I can categorically guarantee you that there are no Americans near the airport. If you don't believe me then meet me in two hours and we will drive over there so I can prove it to you with your own eyes.
     
  13. galanga

    galanga New Member

    I write the truth

    Originally posted by candyman
    These claims are very curious, mostly because the Liberian Embassy in Paris has been closed for some time.

    Please refer to the links in my post which begins this thread. Do visit the UNESCO page at http://erc.unesco.org/cp/cp.asp?country=LR. On that page you will find
    Now use Google to search for 01.47.63.58.55 in order to see what agency uses that number. Google returns 27 hits, all of which associate that number with the Liberian Embassy.

    Perhaps this call was made to Paris Texas?

    No, the combination of required exit/entry codes, time of day, and dialed phone number make that impossible.

    By the way, there was no one there named anything close to "Ahmet", but IF there was I am SURE you'd have at least asked for the spelling and a last name.

    If you don't believe me, just pick up a phone and call yourself.


    As I wrote in the first post of the thread, I called that number July 2, 10:33 local (Paris) time. The person who answered identified himself as "Ahmet" and said he was the "consul" when I asked his position. He was more comfortable speaking English than French, so that was the language we used. His accent (when speaking English) was not at all French, either in pronunciation, or in rhythm.

    To my mind, the simplest explanation of the facts of the pair of phone calls is that the phone was answered by a Liberian official; he was not French in origin, and the information he was able to access between my first an second calls did not provide him with any indication that Saint Regis is a university with official Liberian recognition.

    Galanga, you got some splainin' to do!

    I am at a loss how I can make the details of the phone calls any more clear than this.

    G
     
  14. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    If I called Harvard University a diploma mill each and every day and if I not only did this on a distance learning board, but when I talked with the news media and anyone else that crosses my path, I would expect a letter, eventually, from Harvard asking me to please stop doing same. They perhaps might even mention the consequences were I not to do so. I think that this argument can be made for most universities. Universities prize their reputations.

    To my knowledge, this happens regularly to SRU and they have never sued anyone. I can only draw one conclusion from that fact.




    Tom Nixon
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    SRU is one of the most blantant degree mills in the book. It actually made the degree mill chapter of Bears' Guide. This is likely because SRU has been called a degree mill by so many officials that have looked at it. It has blatantly sold degrees. It is amusing that like Sadam's Iraqi Infomation Minister they continue trying to deny the obvious facts.
     

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