LaSalle (Mandeville)

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  1. oxpecker

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  2. oxpecker

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  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The degree mill apologists that love to bash the ODA with the ridiculous claim that the Oregon law is meaningless because the prisons aren't filling up with academic frauds needs to read these articles. The nonsense described in these articles wouldn't be happening in Oregon. Some academic fraud claiming a bogus degree from a degree mill that had even been proven a degree mill in a court of law wouldn't last two minutes, if the law was clear like it is in Oregon.

    Dennis Ruhl, do you have any comment? :rolleyes:
     
  4. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    As I told the Michigan reporter, I am confused by the process there, in agonizingly determining the legitimacy (or lack of it) of LaSalle.

    Some school legitimacy issues are debatable . . . but, for goodness sake, the founder/owner of LaSalle was indicted on 18 counts of fraud, and he pleaded guilty and was sent to federal prison. What else does one need to know.

    Well perhaps this. The New Orleans paper reported that there were 15,000 'students' and one faculty, whose only degree was from LaSalle.
     
  5. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Clear like Oregon? I believe the expression is clear like mud.

    With a couple exceptions, Oregon treats schools offering reasonably legitimate programs on par with total degree mills.

    The listing contains a small fraction of degree mills while including all of the most prominent legitimate but unaccredited schools.

    If I were an unmotivated lazy civil servant, I could come up with a better list in 15 minutes.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    No comment on the point I made? Do you not remember your apparent argument that if the prisons weren't being stuffed with academic frauds then the Oregon law was meaningless? Do you not see any relevance between that argument and the articles linked to in this thread?

    Dennis, your apparent inability to make any statement without it being a thoughtless ad hominem is very interesting. If you can't address the issue that I asked about, perhaps in the future you might try to make an intelligent point instead of a personal attack?

    e.g.,

    Okay, are you implying that the Oregon law stating that any institution believed to be below standard in the least, should be found to have their degrees illegal for use in Oregon is a bad law?

    Are you implying that the example of institutions offering degrees that are illegal for use within Oregon are actually fully up to the standard RA institution?
     
  7. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    The Oregon law is a statement, not enforceable law.

    Who did I attack now? - I missed that part.

    Does anyone have any reason to believe that Oregon standards are any higher than California's but all Oregon schools are okay.

    I suspect some are within the range of R/A schools.
     
  8. I totally agree. You are absolutely 100% correct. Anyone who does not agree must be a mill shill.
     
  9. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    I thought anyone who didn't agree with Bill made perfect sense.
     

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