Hawaii List Update

3/31/04

Hawaii Litigation Results Summary (unofficial)

Interesting list from posts by JE Brunton
Even better than Oregan's list (IMO)

Under suit by State of Hawaii
American University of Hawaii
Cambridge State University
Honolulu, Culture and Eden University
International East-West University
IUPS
Kensington University
Kensington International University
Pacific Southern University
Southern Cal Polytech University
Southwest International University of Nevada
Trinity College of Science & Management

Determined Operating in Violation of Legislation by State of Hawaii
Academy of Natural Therapies
AIUMT
American Institute of Management Studies
American National University
American World University of Iowa
American World University
Atlantic International University
Brighton University
Frederick Taylor International University
Friends International Christian U
Golden Pacific University
Hawaii American University
Honolulu University of ASH
Kensington University (Hawaii)
Lincoln Park University
Manhattan University
National University of America
Nation University
Newton University
Pacific Southern University
Pickering University
Prescott College
SCPU
South Pacific University
Southern Pacific University
Stanton Univ
SWIU of NV and Trinity College
United States Open University
University of East-West Alternative Medicine
U of Northern Washington
UH, EU and CU
Wilson State University

Under Investigation
The University of Honolulu USA

Questionable while claiming Hawaii Approval
Atlantic International University
Clermont/Senior/SCUPS???

Questionable
Cornerstone University in Honolulu


Compended from post by JE Brunton (but not checked or verified by anyone but me)

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Excellent list. Mike, I want to know how many Legal unaccredited institutions of higher education operate from Hawaii.

Do you have some listing about that?

On the other hand, any update?

PhD Pacific Western University (Criminal Justice)
MA Caribbean University (Criminal Justice)
BA American University of Puerto Rico (Criminal Justice)
Certificate Universidad Metropolitana (Paralegal Investigator)
Certificate University College of Criminal Justice (Law Enforcement)

 

Not to sound like I am late to the party...but who/what is UH, CU and EU? Thanks.

 

Regionally accredited Hawaii schools can be found at:http://www.wascweb.org/ by looking for the level of school.

As for the acronyms - I have no idea.

 

When it comes to unaccredited educational institutions, it is likely the wrong question to ask whether or not an institution is legal. The reason being that a large percentage of the unaccredited institution are degree mills. Since many degree mills try to deceive and put up a facade to hide their illegal activities, it is not a question that can usually be answered easily. Perhaps if you described the context of your question, it could more easily be addressed?

 

Do you want the list of "schools" J. E. Brunton Esq. has NOT taken to court YET, or perhaps the ones he has not started investigating YET?

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Mike, I want the list of all the Legal unaccredited institutions of higher education that operates from Hawaii. No the institution that the Court of Justice order to close.

The Legal unaccredited institutions of higher education that operates under the Law of Hawaii (Chapter 446E). If you have that list.

PhD Pacific Western University (Criminal Justice)
MA Caribbean University (Criminal Justice)
BA American University of Puerto Rico (Criminal Justice)
Certificate University College of Criminal Justice
Certificate Universidad Metropolitana (Paralegal Investigator)

 

Hi Police,

If you could describe the context of your request ...

Let me put it another way, why do you want to know? If you're hoping that PWU is on the list then perhaps if you made your own list, you could be sure yourself that it was on the list! If your real question is whether or not your PWU degree is worth anything, I'm afraid that it's value is directly proportional to the ignorance the person suffers regarding PWU.

Regards,
Bill

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Bill, I know that PWU have degree granting authority, because is a Legal unaccredited institution of higher education that operates legally under the Laws of the State of Hawaii. In addition, yes, PWU is the first one in my list about Legal unaccredited institutions of higher education that operates under the Law of Hawaii (Chapter 446E).

Why I want to know? Easy, I am trying to do a list about Legal unaccredited institutions of higher education that operates under the Law of Hawaii (Chapter 446E).

Mr. Jeffrey E. Brunton is doing a great job, and I want to know how many Legal unaccredited institutions of higher education that operates under the Law of Hawaii (Chapter 446E) remains.

Bill, you have some information about that?

PhD Pacific Western University (Criminal Justice)
MA Caribbean University (Criminal Justice)
BA American University of Puerto Rico (Criminal Justice)
Certificate University College of Criminal Justice
Certificate Universidad Metropolitana (Paralegal Investigator)

 

Dear Police,

I've unsuccessfully tried to explain previously that legal versus illegal is a very poor way to evaluate educational institutions within the USA. If that is what you're trying to do then you're going about it all wrong. For example, your statement that PWU has degree granting authority is meaningless and irrelevant. I could get degree granting authority and open up a degree mill tomorrow if I wanted to. Degree granting authority is NOT given out by any organization in the state of Hawaii. People can just start granting degrees and if they don't break the law then it can be said that the degree mill is legal. Almost all the degree mills that have been successfully prosecuted for fraud, appeared at some level to be operating legally. Of course if you have some other purpose (other than trying to evaluate the legitimacy of a degree) then perhaps if you could describe that purpose then someone may be able to assist you.

Regards,
Bill

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Ok Bill, no problem.

If the “the States assume varying degrees of control over education, but, in general, institutions of higher education are permitted to operate with considerable independence and autonomy” http://www.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/accreditation_pg2.html#U.S.

Those mean, “Accreditation is a voluntary process. Institutions choose to apply for accredited status” http://www.msache.org/ (Middle States Commission on Higher Education)

So, in other words “no institution in the United States is required to seek accreditation”, http://www.wascweb.org/senior/accreditation.htm (The Western Association of Schools and Colleges (regional accrediting body).

Ok, I understand now that “regional accreditation of postsecondary institutions is a … voluntary process” http://www.nwccu.org/ (The Northwest Commission on Colleges and Universities)

So, if the accreditation is a voluntary, non-governmental process http://www.wascweb.org/senior/accreditation.htm(The Western Association of Schools and Colleges (regional accrediting body). What need an institution of higher education to be a degree granting institution? Oh, I think that an institution of higher education is a degree granting institution if “it has legal authorization to grant its degrees, and it meets all the legal requirements to operate as an institution of higher education wherever it conducts its activities”. http://www.higherlearningcommission.org/overview/#Evaluation (Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association)

Therefore, in other words, an institution may need state authorization to operate legally http://www.higherlearningcommission.org/overview/#Evaluation (Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association)

Ok, if an institution need state authorization, maybe exist some Laws in the States of the Union?

Yes, Examples:

Wyoming http://www.k12.wy.us/ The LAW gives the power to the Dept. of Education

California http://www.cpec.ca.gov/ The LAW gives the Power to the Bureau

Oregon http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html Gus can do the things because the Power of the LAW.

Hawaii http://www.degreeinfo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13096 The LAW give to J.D. Brunton the power to close the degree granting institution that no follows the LAW.

What Law in Hawaii?

The Law 446E UNACCREDITED DEGREE GRANTING INSTITUTIONS. What name? UNACCREDITED DEGREE GRANTING INSTITUTIONS.

Ok, at this moment the Law 446E UNACCREDITED DEGREE GRANTING INSTITUTIONS give the power to the universities to be degree-granting institutions.

The Law 446E of UNACCREDITED DEGREE GRANTING INSTITUTIONS has some definition of degree granting institution, degree and more.

Who is responsible in Hawaii to supervise the UNACCREDITED DEGREE GRANTING INSTITUTIONS? The Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs is responsible to prosecute and close the Universities that not fallow the Law and the rule.

Therefore, at this moment that appropriate governmental organization regulates the UNACCREDITED DEGREE GRANTING INSTITUTIONS.

To summarize, I think that the LAW is very important. They give us the Power in this Democratic Republic to do the things.

Bill, my friend, I recognize the limitations of a Legal unaccredited degree. For example, I know that VARIOUS accredited universities accepts credits from authorized but unaccredited universities http://www.collegehints.com/boards/showthread.php?t=578
That is a limitation, VARIOUS NOT ALL. And others limitations.

In addition, I know that the accreditation is important for utility.

!!!!!!!Man, the only thing that I want is help to make a LIST!!!!!!!


PhD Pacific Western University (Criminal Justice)
MA Caribbean University (Criminal Justice)
BA American University of Puerto Rico (Criminal Justice)
Certificate University College of Criminal Justice
Certificate Universidad Metropolitana (Paralegal Investigator)

 

your list

Hi Police,

Making a list sounds like a project fraught with peril for you. If you make it public, you may be taking on an obligation to maintain it. What will happen if a school on your "legal, but unaccredited" list comes under the scrutiny of Hawaii, which then concludes it is not a proper (unaccredited) school and orders it to close? Will someone who has enrolled in the now-illegal school hold you responsible for the fact that they've lost money to an unacceptable organization after reading about it in your list?

Out of curiosity, why do you want to make this sort of list?

G

 

Sorry I am not interested in legal (at this time) unaccredited schools.

I have no list of them, and only add them to my unoffical list when they get taken to court.

 

Police:

You obviously have been reading the Hawaii legislation, and are probably more knoweledable than most of the rest of us.

All I can say, after a brief review, is that Hawaii is following the lead of tothers by Licensing unaccredited whatevers, and not approving them.

You miss the whole point of my post,which is to summerize the work todate by JE Brunton to close these whatevers.

 

Correct until the last sentence, there are many jurisdictions where the state legislature has passed tough anti-degree mill laws that require unaccredited schools to pursue accreditation in a timely manner. The fact is that the higher education system in the USA is basically accredited. The degree mills like to make a big issue about it being "voluntary" in many states.

"Degree granting authority" in the USA is not a magic wand that makes institutions LEGITIMATE like it does in most other countries. It is legal to sit on a hot stove. It is legal to sandpaper your own eyeball. It is legal to eat fecal matter. It is legal to not take your medicine. It is legal to purchase diplomas from degree mills in many places. Legal does not equate to legitimate and does not equate to wise.

Don't point at college hints as a reference (at least not for me). They advertise degree mills right on that site. I consider that misleading, dishonest, despicible, and fraudulent.

There is no such official list. There is no such official list because there is little restriction in Hawaii for starting up a "degree mill". All one must do is rent a one room office in Hawaii and hire someone to sit in the office most of the day. They don't even have to tell any officials that they have started up this "degree mill". There's no way the list can be made unless you (or another private citizen) make the list. Since you make the list, you can put anything on there that you want. It's like saying I want a list of all the taco stands and mobile food carts in Mexico that don't ever sell any food that can make you sick. There's no regulation as to who can start up a food service and how can anyone possibly know whether or not a certain one has made someone sick?

 

And on the same site is: http://www.collegehints.com/boards/showthread.php?t=515

Where a FULLY and RECOGNIZED ACCREDITED school is being treated like a diploma mill becasue of lack of transferability.

So, since DETC is bad, why should any one care for whatevers that are not even sate approved (Hawaii does NOT approve, only license).

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

The jurisdictions can play with the terms, and definitions, except with LEGAL definitions.

Legal definitions are protected by LAW and the Jurisprudences.

If a State wants to call the degree granting authority license, ok. If a State wants to call the degree granting authority State Approved, ok no problem.

The important thing in this Democratic Republic, related to the universities, is if the institution of higher education “has legal authorization to grant its degrees, and it meets all the legal requirements to operate as an institution of higher education wherever it conducts its activities”. http://www.higherlearningcommission.org/overview/#Evaluation (Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association)

OHHHHHH, “LEGAL AUTHORIZATION … WHEREVER IT CONDUCTS ITS ACTIVITIES”. http://www.higherlearningcommission.org/overview/#Evaluation (Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association)

Remember, a Court of Justice do not care about the name of the authorization that gives the States to an institution of higher education to operate legally.

The Court of Justice, do not care about if the name is pretty or ugly (State Approved/ License).

The important thing that a Court of Justice go to evaluate, is if the institution of higher education,” has legal authorization to grant its degrees, and it meets all the legal requirements to operate as an institution of higher education wherever it conducts its activities”. http://www.higherlearningcommission.org/overview/#Evaluation (Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association)

Moreover, why only evaluate if the University meets all the legal requirements to operate as an institution of higher education wherever it conducts its activities? Because in USA “the States assume varying degrees of control over education, but, in general, institutions of higher education are permitted to operate with considerable independence and autonomy” http://www.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/accreditation_pg2.html#U.S.

To summarize, the name of the process not matter. In this country, the important thing is if that institution has the LEGAL POWER BY LAW ( not an simple name ) WHEREVER IT CONDUCTS ITS ACTIVITIES.

OHHHH, and what gives us Legal Power to do the things? The LAW, Constitution and the Jurisprudences.


PhD Pacific Western University (Criminal Justice)
MA Caribbean University (Criminal Justice)
BA American University of Puerto Rico (Criminal Justice)
Certificate University College of Criminal Justice
Certificate Universidad Metropolitana (Paralegal Investigator)

 

License vs. Approve

License and Approval are two distinct and separate things. You may have a license for and item but not the approval to use it.

That is a very general statement I will admit. But in this case it applies as the state agency that issues the license and the state agency that approves are two separate department. One furnishes the permission to operate, but does not give it the approval to function as a college.

This happens in many areas, a simple example is your car. You may have a License for your car, and from your statment thus you have state approval to operate it. This is not true.

This is the scam that most unaccredited schools pull on their unsuspecting vicitms.

BTW, quoting the Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association when the schools we were discussing ar in Hawaii under WASC is like quoting Oregon motor vehicle law for operating in Putero Rico, does not apply!

 

Police, you are the only one that to me appears to be playing with terms. These are the facts whether or not you like them. PWU degrees are illegal to use in some states of the USA. That is because those legislatures recognized that the primary use of a PWU degree is to trick ignorant people into believing that it is a bona fide and valid standard degree. If you wish to claim a degree that has value only for the ignorant and uninformed because they are being tricked then that is your choice. I suggest that you accept that fact and stop trying to justify it by playing irrelevant games with the definition of legal.

Take care and good luck, I sincerely hope that your little ticking time bomb doesn't do too much damage when/if it goes off.