American World University Poll

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American World University is a/an

  1. terribly reputable degree mill

    14 vote(s)
    56.0%
  2. degree mill

    8 vote(s)
    32.0%
  3. unaccredited school

    3 vote(s)
    12.0%
  4. legitimate school

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. cableplus

    cableplus New Member

    American World University is a/an

    1) Terribly reputable degree mill
    2)degree mill
    3)unaccredited school
    4)legitimate school

    Please kindly vote so I will be able to collect data .
     
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  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    If one is going the degree mill route, why not go all the way? Why settle for a mere degree mill when the option of a terribly reputable degree mill is available? ;)
     
  3. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    It's libelous to call a school a mill unless one has proof. Those of us who would not enjoy being sued, might want to abstain on polls such as this.
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    AWU is a most amusing institution that was started up by Dr. Maxine Asher. Dr. Asher also started up the WAUC, which is the accreditation agency that accredits AWU and many other interesting institutions. Besides being the owner of AWU and WAUC, Dr. Asher finds time to be a world authority on the lost city of Atlantis. I understand that she has located this magical city. Perhaps Disney even consulted with her on the documentary they did on Atlantis. Now I never saw this documentary myself but I understand that it included pictures and was intended for a younger audience.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It is libelous to tell untruths about a school that are meant to harm the schools reputation. The real problem is not that a degree mill would win a libel suit. This would probably be unlikely. The problem is that degree mill owners will sometimes throw their money away on a hopeless lawsuit just to harass someone. Although I don't see how anyone could be sued for a frivilous opinion poll?
     
  6. cableplus

    cableplus New Member

    Thanks all for your great comments.American world University and its Presidents are making noisy claims about its being a credible and accredited school and are marshalling all resources available to clobber our objective publicity about its truthful status,they mean to blackmail us with lawsuits,blablabla,but our stance is firm and would like to reaffirm it by saying,AWU is absolutely a degree mill.Prior to taking a solid counter-action,we would like to solicit your opinions and comments.

    We would be grateful if will be able to see how AWU University is generally perceived in the States....

    Please actively participate in this crucial poll,insightful comment will be particularly appreciated.
     
  7. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    "...they mean to blackmail us..."

    Whom do you represent?
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    My post, in general terms, examined the option between a mill and a terribly reputable mill.

    No mill calling here!
     
  9. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    Goerge Gollin changed the name of his Web folder from "diploma mills" to "nonCHEA". John Bear put separate chapters in his guide for "other schools" and "mills", placed some schools under "other schools" that he thnks should be under "mills", notes in the "mills" chapter who identified each school as a mill, and is careful to use euphemisms like "less-than-wondeful school". And you think they're just being silly?

    Remember, in a libel suit, the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove that his statement is true. The plaintiff does not have to prove that it's false (although if he can, so much the better for him).

    "Frivolous opinion poll"? We're talking in public. Our words are on permanet record. We are responsible for our words.
     
  10. cableplus

    cableplus New Member

    We represent the top media in China,in concerted effort,we have launched a tough battle to knock out degree mills...
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Normally, media representatives are open about who they are and what they're doing. The above doesn't meet that standard. Perhaps Mr. Plus will share with us precise information so that he will receive the assistance he seeks.
     
  12. cableplus

    cableplus New Member

    Sorry for being a tad blurry,we represent China Youth Daily and CCTV(China Central Television) who are all top- level media in China.

    Dr.Asher's letter to CCTV
    http://www.awuchina.com/awu/newscontent.asp?id=147

    There is an English version(scanned),so you don't have to downlaod chinese character package..

    Dr.Asher's attorney letter for general purpose
    http://www.awuchina.com/awu/newscontent.asp?id=146

    Dr.Asher's attorney's communication with Daily Iowan

    If you need any further information,I would be delighted to furnish immediately...
     
  13. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Thanks for the clarification. I get CCTV on my satellite dish.
     
  14. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Tell Attorney McLean to get lost. He can't do a thing to a Chinese corporation.
     
  15. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    If you're so afraid then don't post at all.
    Jack
     
  16. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    I can tell you that John and I had some interaction with him some time ago about this very topic. It seems quite legitimate.



    Tom Nixon
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I never said that it was silly to be concerned about the harassing potential of a frivilous lawsuit!

    A libel suit brought by a private party requires that the defendent have the burden of proof as you mention. However, a libel suit brought by a pubic figure carries a large burden of proof on the part of the plaintiff. This has been the case since the Larry Flynt Supreme Court ruling, so I'm of course talking USA law here. My layman opinion is that any libel case being brought by a "school" would most probably fall into public figure category. It doesn't mean that the possibility of a frivilous lawsuit is less harassing only that it would make it much more difficult to win such a case.

    My comment about the frivilous opinion poll is that I can't imagine that anonymous voting in a non-scientific opinion poll could get anyone that voted into trouble. Posts made to a thread are a different matter since they're public statements. Also, it is clear law that an opinion is protected speech and as such there is no burden of proof required to prove that said opinion is true.
     
  18. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I think that I'll take Cableplus' alternatives in reverse order:

    American World University is a/an

    4)legitimate school


    That depends on what the word 'legitimate' means. AWU clearly doesn't have recognized accreditation in the United States. Its various foreign operations don't seem to have the sorts of ministry approvals that local universities would need in the countries in which they operate. AWU seems to have moved its address from state to state within the US, currently operating frm Mississippi, a state that according to a recent newspaper article doesn't even regulate online "universities".

    3)unaccredited school

    Yes, it's certainly that. Some unaccredited universities do have some academic credibility, though most of them don't. The problem is, without accreditation, how does one know? That's why I am fond of Googling questionable universities and looking for things like research productivity, scholarly participation, collaborations with other schools and organizations, awards won, grants received, and recognition by the wider professional and scholarly communities. AWU shows very little of that, in my opinion.

    2)degree mill

    Once again, that depends on what the phrase 'degree mill' means. If it means 'substandard university', then I am inclined to agree that AWU certainly looks like a degree mill. As I noted immediately above, it appears to lack the accreditation by the academic and professional communities that most credible American universities possess. It hasn't undergone equivalent education ministry scrutiny in any other country that I know of. And unlike the more credible unaccredited schools, it shows little alternative indication that expected academic standards are even being approximated. There's really nothing but the school's own advertising claims to go on, and in the case of questioned universities, that's simply not good enough. The whole WAUC self-"accreditation" thing certainly don't make AWU's word any more believable.

    1) Terribly reputable degree mill

    I think that probably should be 'infamous' degree mill, not 'reputable'. In English, the word 'reputable' usually implies good reputation.

    As to whether AWU is infamous, I don't know. That would depend on what its reputation is, and in what circles. The fact that it continues to operate freely in multiple countries suggests that it's flying under the radar. Either those in power don't care what its doing or they don't even know. That's as true in Mississippi as it is in China.
     
  19. w2013

    w2013 New Member

    Awu mba

    I don't know the debate on the accreditation, but I submitted all my AWU MBA homework, assignments, thesis, etc, to my employer and the company recognized my MBA degree.
     
  20. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Shortly before the owners of LaSalle University, Louisiana, pleaded guilty to degree fraud and went to federal prison, they were advertising, truthfully, that many employers had accepted their degree. In Rich Douglas' dissertation research, he questioned 300 company HR people regarding terrible and fake degrees and found them depressingly clueless.

    301.
     

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