Maybe you could help me out with some doubts. Master's degree programs are rather new in this country. I'm taking courses for my MBA at American University of Hawaii but based here in Cambodia. Our professors are great, competent and coming from good accredited universities worldwide (in fact some are the same professors in various accredited u's like Charles Sturt - Cambodia). Our curriculum is standard and the textbooks used internationally renowned. Requirements are stingent and even attendances are followed up. In short it's not Distance learning but a very regular course. We students know beforehand that AUH is not accredited but state licensed in Hawaii. But may I ask: 1. Can we continue with a doctoral in another accredited school? 2. Will it give AUH greater credibility if it is duly licensed by the Cambodian government here (although it is already state-licensed there)? (As of now there is no Accreditation yet in Cambodia, only licensing) Thanks for helping me out... (PS I could comment on the curriculum and the course and make comparisons because I've attended some Master's degree classes before in another country's accredited universities.
1) It is doubtful that you would find an accredited American university willing to recognize the degree. 2) Cambodian licensing would probably mean little in the US but it might get you into a local doctoral program. Unaccredited American schools seem to be marketing heavily in Asia. These schools are for the most part issue totally legal degrees. What many people don't understand is that, in many states, it is no harder to license a university than it is to license a car. Credibility comes from accreditation, not licensing. In most countries credibility comes from licensing.
Trigo: "AUH is not accredited but state licensed in Hawaii." John: No, no, no, no, no. AUH is NOT licensed in Hawaii. If they are making that claim, or even suggesting they have some form of state licensure, it is exactly the sort of thing that has caused dozens of other non-wonderful Hawaii universities to be successfully sued by the state's very aggressive consumer affairs department.
The state recognitions and commendations that AUH displays from the Hawaii Senate and the Hawaii House of Representatives at http://www.auh.edu/about.htm are similar to those that Pacific Western University displays at http://www.pwu.com/home.asp?ID=8. About the latter, Dr Bear wrote: "A reporter for the Honolulu daily told me, a couple of years ago, that Pacific Western was making 'substantial' donations to various politicians in the state. It would seem that this investment has borne fruit." http://www.degreeinfo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=36754#post36754
Do you mean to say that these Senate and House of Representatives' recognition and commendation does not tantamount to a license to operate and to grant decrees? (need your clarification)
It appears that on occasion, when a school that is less-than-wonderful makes claims that they are "Recognized", what they are really saying is that someone can look at their diplomas and say:"Yep, that's one of 'em, all right." It's best to check them out very thoroughly. ACCREDITATION is the term you want to look for, (and by whom.)
From website " Registered in the State of Hawaii, United States of America, as a private, degree-granting institution of post-secondary education, and recognized by the Legislature of the State of Hawaii, AMERICAN UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII is a world leader in the field of higher education" Jeff Brunton would just love this. Pretty blatant, if not true.
Hi Trigo: No, those Hawaii senate and house resolutions do NOT constitute a state license. A state license does NOT constitute any form of American accreditation. Only accreditors recognized by the national Department of Education and an organization called CHEA are legitimate. In the past, many bad schools operated out of Hawaii. Now, the state government in Hawaii is trying to shut down bad and fake schools. Use the search function and the term "Brunton" to find out more (the name of the Hawaii government official who is trying to protect students from being exploited by bad or fake schools). Best wishes to you in your studies and in your contributions to the reconstruction of your country.
Uncle Janko writes: > "Only accreditors recognized by the national Department of > Education and an organization called CHEA are legitimate." Evidently, Dr Bear and Uncle Janko disagree on what "legitimate" means. Bears' Guide, 13th ed. (1999) said about American University of Hawaii: "Accredited by the National Association of Private Nontraditional Schools and Colleges (legitimate but unrecognized). Degrees at all levels in a broad range of fields." But AHU seems to have subsequently lost its NAPNSC accreditation. http://www.napnsc.org/Institutions.htm
Bear and I agree emphatically that Trigo should not be ripped off. Nipsnick (and my or Bear's opinion of it) is irrelevant to the issue at hand, but to satisfy you I will happily substitute the word "authentic" for the word "legitimate." I did not want Trigo confused by phony accreditors--or silly ones--and I did not want him confusing state approval (let alone a p.r. legislative resolution!) with authentic USDE/CHEA recognized regional or national accreditation. End of issue.
Here is something I ran across on one website. http://www.globalchurchministries.com/accreditation.htm The major portion of the page is taken up with verbiage about how this school is "Proud to be recognized and accredited by the Higher Education Service Association" with a very impressive logo resembling a US government seal. Then, down near the bottom, almost buried in the mass of printed words, is the following disclaimer: ". . . Although HESA is an internationally recognized body, HESA is not recognized by the Council on Higher Education Accreditation in Washington, DC, United States nor is it recognized by the U.S. Department of Education." BTW, this one will allow you to graduate Summa Cum Laude for an extra $99.00 Also note that they give credit for something called "Life Experiance ."
The point I was trying to make in the previous post, and didn't make very clear, is that one should be careful of claims made on accreditation, licensing, recognition, and approvals
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Thanks guys for the distinctions... you clarified my concepts of legality, lincensure, accreditation. The situation here in Cambodia is that the accreditation body is still being formed (except forcertain accredited universities outside the government's jurisdiction). We'll let you know how the issue evolves. It's a pity the school has to pay AUH in Hawaii a percentage of the tuition they get from us (all for nothing). As for us, it's a wait and see, but then again for local MBA here accreditation is not yet an issue.
